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 Post subject: Re: "Another Trade Expected Soon" - Morgan/Milledge Part Deux
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:37 pm 
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burghermeister wrote:
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Bottom line is that NH is buying low on two guys with a lot of talent/potential and selling high on Morgan. Burnett is what he is; I guess you'd say NH is selling "medium" on him.


I think this aptly states where I am with the trade. Not a big Milledge fan but can appreciate what he could become. Still scratching my head on the pitcher swap though. Why not just a one for one?

I'm guessing the Nats wouldn't agree to that. I wouldn't; would you?


I thought the initial reports were that NH was the one who turned down Morgan straight up for Milledge? If not, then I guess we blinked first.


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 Post subject: Re: "Another Trade Expected Soon" - Morgan/Milledge Part Deux
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What position will Milledge play? Will he play tonight?

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 Post subject: Re: "Another Trade Expected Soon" - Morgan/Milledge Part Deux
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:42 pm 
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I love this trade...of course I saw Hanrahan play in Vero Beach and Jacksonville. I know he was totally uncomfortable in the closers role so I am not paying that much attention to his stats this season..Hanrahan will look good as a long reliever or a back of the rotation type starter..

If Milledge becomes more mature (and supposedly he has), this becomes an outright steal for the Pirates..


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bassoondirector wrote:
What position will Milledge play? Will he play tonight?


I believe he is still injured with a broken finger.


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 Post subject: Re: "Another Trade Expected Soon" - Morgan/Milledge Part Deux
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I believe he is still injured with a broken finger.


Thanks for the info cc138.......broken finger! :o :shock:

great :?

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 Post subject: Re: "Another Trade Expected Soon" - Morgan/Milledge Part Deux
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I love this trade...of course I saw Hanrahan play in Vero Beach and Jacksonville. I know he was totally uncomfortable in the closers role so I am not paying that much attention to his stats this season..Hanrahan will look good as a long reliever or a back of the rotation type starter..

If Milledge becomes more mature (and supposedly he has), this becomes an outright steal for the Pirates..


Kind of agree on Hanrahan curve. I viewed him in this trade as taking on the RH setup role that Yates had.

I guess maybe Grabow will stick around for a bit, or maybe Gorzo will come up.

Millege will have to show me a lot in terms of maturity before I'm ok with that, since I'm of the Nyger is a more than capable MLB player who brings a lot to a team.

I do like that NH sold him high though.

We'll see. WHen you are in the Pirates position, one cannot have too much talent to hope to groom.

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 Post subject: Re: "Another Trade Expected Soon" - Morgan/Milledge Part Deux
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bassoondirector wrote:

Thanks for the info cc138.......broken finger! :o :shock:

great :?


He's on rehab assignment in AAA. He's back to playing. I suspect he will spend a couple weeks in Indy getting his timing back before we see him in LF.

Looks like Moss in LF, McCutch in CF and Delwynn's bat in RF???

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 Post subject: Re: "Another Trade Expected Soon" - Morgan/Milledge Part Deux
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ZelieMike wrote:
bassoondirector wrote:

Thanks for the info cc138.......broken finger! :o :shock:

great :?


He's on rehab assignment in AAA. He's back to playing. I suspect he will spend a couple weeks in Indy getting his timing back before we see him in LF.

Looks like Moss in LF, McCutch in CF and Delwynn's bat in RF???

ZM

Actually...he's been in Florida rehabbing in the GCL. He's on the Syracuse DL...as the Nats had optioned him to Syracuse on April 14th...before he broke his finger. He was about to return to Syracuse to join the team...so he MAY be close to playing regularly. We'll just have to wait for the official announcement about how he will be handled.

The Nats are in Florida tonight...so neither team is likely to see their new players till tomorrow.


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 Post subject: Re: "Another Trade Expected Soon" - Morgan/Milledge Part Deux
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:03 pm 
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ZelieMike wrote:
curveradio wrote:
I love this trade...of course I saw Hanrahan play in Vero Beach and Jacksonville. I know he was totally uncomfortable in the closers role so I am not paying that much attention to his stats this season..Hanrahan will look good as a long reliever or a back of the rotation type starter..

If Milledge becomes more mature (and supposedly he has), this becomes an outright steal for the Pirates..


Kind of agree on Hanrahan curve. I viewed him in this trade as taking on the RH setup role that Yates had.

I guess maybe Grabow will stick around for a bit, or maybe Gorzo will come up.

Millege will have to show me a lot in terms of maturity before I'm ok with that, since I'm of the Nyger is a more than capable MLB player who brings a lot to a team.

I do like that NH sold him high though.

We'll see. WHen you are in the Pirates position, one cannot have too much talent to hope to groom.

ZM


Hope you two are right, other than lots of Ks, he's been very unremarkable since he signed with the Dodgers back in 2000.


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 Post subject: Re: "Another Trade Expected Soon" - Morgan/Milledge Part Deux
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Anyone care to speculate where Milledge fits in the batting order? Does he move in to the #2 slot or somewhere lower? If lower, does Freddy go back to #2?


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 Post subject: Re: "Another Trade Expected Soon" - Morgan/Milledge Part Deux
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:23 pm 
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I guess NH missed Snell so much that he figured we should have another head case to replace him.


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 Post subject: Re: "Another Trade Expected Soon" - Morgan/Milledge Part Deux
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ZelieMike wrote:
WHen you are in the Pirates position, one cannot have too much talent to hope to groom.

ZM


I got grilled for saying this the other day when this rumor started, but it is true. A team like the Pirates can't afford to turn away from talented players. Tabata was supposed to be a headcase and has been fine. Hopefully this guy will be too.

It's making this season pretty interesting. If I'm LaRoche, Wilson, Grabow, Capps, Vasquez, Sanchez, etc. I'd keep my suitcases handy. NH doesn't appear to be turning many good offers down, so I don't think the trading is over. Some of the guys I listed are likely to go. Last one out of the clubhouse turn out the lights!


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 Post subject: Re: "Another Trade Expected Soon" - Morgan/Milledge Part Deux
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Nats fans are doing cartwheels over getting rid of Hanrahan. I discovered that he is out of options as well. Thats three RPs (Yates and Hansen being the other two) who are out of options.


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 Post subject: Re: "Another Trade Expected Soon" - Morgan/Milledge Part Deux
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Again from Twitter, the always provocative Rocco Demaro ponders: "Wondering how much Burnett's candlelight vigil for Nate McLouth figured into this deal. Probably not much, but you never know...".


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 Post subject: Re: "Another Trade Expected Soon" - Morgan/Milledge Part Deux
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From the Pirate website article on the trade:

Milledge has been working back to full health after breaking his right index finger and having surgery back in mid-May. He was expected to miss six-to-eight weeks and just began his rehab work with the GCL Nats over the weekend, playing his third game there on Monday.

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 Post subject: Re: "Another Trade Expected Soon" - Morgan/Milledge Part Deux
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I thought you couldn't trade players that were on the DL?

I guess not.

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 Post subject: Re: "Another Trade Expected Soon" - Morgan/Milledge Part Deux
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Nats fans are doing cartwheels over getting rid of Hanrahan. I discovered that he is out of options as well. Thats three RPs (Yates and Hansen being the other two) who are out of options.


Correction...Hanrahan AND Milledge.

It's now safe for parents to take their kids to the ballgame again.

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 Post subject: Re: "Another Trade Expected Soon" - Morgan/Milledge Part Deux
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burghermeister wrote:
Anyone care to speculate where Milledge fits in the batting order? Does he move in to the #2 slot or somewhere lower? If lower, does Freddy go back to #2?


I'd move Freddy to 2nd, Andy 3rd, Adam 4th, Milledge 5th, Moss 6th, Catcher 7th, Jack 8th...

Then when Doumit returns, Put him 4th and slide everyone below him down a spot...

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 Post subject: Re: "Another Trade Expected Soon" - Morgan/Milledge Part Deux
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I would too dan.


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 Post subject: Re: "Another Trade Expected Soon" - Morgan/Milledge Part Deux
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I wouldn't consider myself to be a member of the Nyjer Morgan Fan Club but must admit that I was warming to ZM's arguments that he could be a productive member of the lineup. I'm convinced that Nyjer does not have a much higher ceiling - if he hasn't reached it.

I'm troubled by the intangible factor with Milledge. I hate guys who don't hustle. I hate guys who don't take advantage of their gifts. There is a certain population of posters here who generally mock the notion of hustle and playing the game hard. Personally, I think that kind of play can be contageous. I also think that Milledge could be of the same mold as Bradley.

So . . . I guess I'm not a huge fan of the move.

That being written, it would not have been that long ago that a lineup of McCutchen, Milledge, Tabata, Pedro Alvarez, Doumit and Andy LaRoche would have been considered to be potentially ridiculously good. So, I guess I hold out some hope that NH has a good plan in place.

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