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 Post subject: Pirates record without Moss in the lineup?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:18 am 
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Is it better , or worse, ?.

I am sure one of you wizards can figure this out quicker than i can.
So here is the question.
Do the Pirates have a better win % with Moss starting, or not.

Just guessing here, but i would have to say they are a better team with his one hopper to 1st base swing on the bench.
Hope he is included in a PACKAGE with one of the other inpending departures, at the trade deadline.

Wouldn't miss his ability one bit.
Too bad the team couldn't have acquired Bailey or Van Every from Boston in the Bay trade.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates record without Moss in the lineup?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:21 pm 
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palushock wrote:
Is it better , or worse, ?.

I am sure one of you wizards can figure this out quicker than i can.
So here is the question.
Do the Pirates have a better win % with Moss starting, or not.

Just guessing here, but i would have to say they are a better team with his one hopper to 1st base swing on the bench.
Hope he is included in a PACKAGE with one of the other inpending departures, at the trade deadline.

Wouldn't miss his ability one bit.
Too bad the team couldn't have acquired Bailey or Van Every from Boston in the Bay trade.

Pirates with Moss starting...20-22...476
Pirates with Moss benched...11-12...478


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates record without Moss in the lineup?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:27 pm 
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Moss still has to be given the chance at some point to show what he can do. All players struggle, and the fact that he has such limitied ML experience, his struggles could be career costing. I believe he can be a productive Nat McLouth type power hitter for us. As a matter of fact, look at his numbers and Nates in their first years and they look almost identical. Big difference is the defense McLouth brings and his speed. Moss has better power numbers, drove in more runs, and actually had a higher OBP then Nate. Just too early to give up on him.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:28 pm 
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Moss still has to be given the chance at some point to show what he can do. All players struggle, and the fact that he has such limitied ML experience, his struggles could be career costing. I believe he can be a productive Nat McLouth type power hitter for us. As a matter of fact, look at his numbers and Nates in their first years and they look almost identical. Big difference is the defense McLouth brings and his speed. Moss has better power numbers, drove in more runs, and actually had a higher OBP then Nate. Just too early to give up on him.



Amen

These so-called fans, who are ready to give up on the guy after two months, are ridiculous.

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates record without Moss in the lineup?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:43 pm 
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Moss will never hit for power. Write it down.

Although I agree with the fact this guy should be given a chance, It pains me to see this guy just swing and miss at horrible pitches constantly

Edit: I wish we could fake an injury or something with this guy so we can send him down and get him some regular at bats. :D


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:06 pm 
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palushock wrote:
Is it better , or worse, ?.

I am sure one of you wizards can figure this out quicker than i can.
So here is the question.
Do the Pirates have a better win % with Moss starting, or not.

Just guessing here, but i would have to say they are a better team with his one hopper to 1st base swing on the bench.
Hope he is included in a PACKAGE with one of the other inpending departures, at the trade deadline.

Wouldn't miss his ability one bit.
Too bad the team couldn't have acquired Bailey or Van Every from Boston in the Bay trade.



I don't know. What's our good post record without your ridiculous complaints about Russell and Moss and suggestions to let him go? 90%?

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates record without Moss in the lineup?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:23 pm 
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palushock wrote:
Is it better , or worse, ?.

I am sure one of you wizards can figure this out quicker than i can.
So here is the question.
Do the Pirates have a better win % with Moss starting, or not.

Just guessing here, but i would have to say they are a better team with his one hopper to 1st base swing on the bench.
Hope he is included in a PACKAGE with one of the other inpending departures, at the trade deadline.

Wouldn't miss his ability one bit.
Too bad the team couldn't have acquired Bailey or Van Every from Boston in the Bay trade.


I don't think we're going to get much of a return if we trade Moss right now. You're supposed to buy low and sell high, not the other way around.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates record without Moss in the lineup?
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jaybee24 wrote:
palushock wrote:
Is it better , or worse, ?.

I am sure one of you wizards can figure this out quicker than i can.
So here is the question.
Do the Pirates have a better win % with Moss starting, or not.

Just guessing here, but i would have to say they are a better team with his one hopper to 1st base swing on the bench.
Hope he is included in a PACKAGE with one of the other inpending departures, at the trade deadline.

Wouldn't miss his ability one bit.
Too bad the team couldn't have acquired Bailey or Van Every from Boston in the Bay trade.


I don't think we're going to get much of a return if we trade Moss right now. You're supposed to buy low and sell high, not the other way around.



Well, there are those here who will tell you that it doesn't matter..that Moss should just be put on waivers. How idiotic!

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates record without Moss in the lineup?
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I am record as saying Moss' problems are more mental/confidence than anything.

I do remember early in the season, before his started really pressing, he was driving the ball to the wall with regularity, and hitting rockets to the base Clemente wall that ended up as singles. In short, he displayed real power potential.

He has to get his head together.

ZM

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates record without Moss in the lineup?
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ZelieMike wrote:
I am record as saying Moss' problems are more mental/confidence than anything.

I do remember early in the season, before his started really pressing, he was driving the ball to the wall with regularity, and hitting rockets to the base Clemente wall that ended up as singles. In short, he displayed real power potential.

He has to get his head together.

ZM


No ZM...he needs to be put on waivers. Nobody will sign him. (I forget, which little smiley is for sarcasm?)

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates record without Moss in the lineup?
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Animal wrote:
ZelieMike wrote:
I am record as saying Moss' problems are more mental/confidence than anything.

I do remember early in the season, before his started really pressing, he was driving the ball to the wall with regularity, and hitting rockets to the base Clemente wall that ended up as singles. In short, he displayed real power potential.

He has to get his head together.

ZM


No ZM...he needs to be put on waivers. Nobody will sign him. (I forget, which little smiley is for sarcasm?)

Just put up a picture of you and Brian Boitano holding hands while you were on vacation last summer?.

I am sure you still have a couple of them laying around your trailer some where.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates record without Moss in the lineup?
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palushock wrote:
Animal wrote:
ZelieMike wrote:
I am record as saying Moss' problems are more mental/confidence than anything.

I do remember early in the season, before his started really pressing, he was driving the ball to the wall with regularity, and hitting rockets to the base Clemente wall that ended up as singles. In short, he displayed real power potential.

He has to get his head together.

ZM


No ZM...he needs to be put on waivers. Nobody will sign him. (I forget, which little smiley is for sarcasm?)

Just put up a picture of you and Brian Boitano holding hands while you were on vacation last summer?.

I am sure you still have a couple of them laying around your trailer some where.



HUH??

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates record without Moss in the lineup?
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I think that is some kind of insult in the palus-world.

But, I don't really know. I don't live or visit there.

ZM

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates record without Moss in the lineup?
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Animal wrote:
ZelieMike wrote:
I am record as saying Moss' problems are more mental/confidence than anything.

I do remember early in the season, before his started really pressing, he was driving the ball to the wall with regularity, and hitting rockets to the base Clemente wall that ended up as singles. In short, he displayed real power potential.

He has to get his head together.

ZM


No ZM...he needs to be put on waivers. Nobody will sign him. (I forget, which little smiley is for sarcasm?)


Moss went 2 for 3 with a double today. He was the only Pirate to get 2 hits.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates record without Moss in the lineup?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:12 pm 
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I am not making excuses for Moss. I think his issues are mostly mental. He was well thought of in Boston, as a potential "next big thing". I do think he needs another month/two so we can know if he can play. It's ridiculous IMO to waive him or cut him. He will get picked up in 30 seconds. He has the tools. I think waking up in Pittsburgh and not contending has hurt him mentally.

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates record without Moss in the lineup?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:25 am 
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ZelieMike wrote:
I think that is some kind of insult in the palus-world.

But, I don't really know. I don't live or visit there.

ZM


Wasn't directed at you , maybe if you were in some world you could/would have figured it out. Whatever, dude, don't need another jackal to start a pissing war with. Animal is, and will always be my Lex Luthor on this board.


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palushock wrote:
ZelieMike wrote:
I think that is some kind of insult in the palus-world.

But, I don't really know. I don't live or visit there.

ZM


Wasn't directed at you , maybe if you were in some world you could/would have figured it out. Whatever, dude, don't need another jackal to start a pissing war with. Animal is, and will always be my Lex Luthor on this board.


Your Lex Luthor on the board?? I guess that makes you Superman?? Again, you seem to have trouble separating criticism of some of your idiotic rantings wtih the real world. If you don't want criticism, stop posting idiotic things like releasing one of our top prospects who was acquired by trading our biggest star.

Understand? Or should I type slower?

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palushock wrote:
ZelieMike wrote:
I think that is some kind of insult in the palus-world.

But, I don't really know. I don't live or visit there.

ZM


Wasn't directed at you , maybe if you were in some world you could/would have figured it out. Whatever, dude, don't need another jackal to start a pissing war with. Animal is, and will always be my Lex Luthor on this board.


Don't take over for Rod Serling and Ryann.
I like you so far and i think you are a good poster, but now i think you need a superman avatar with PS in the middle of it.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates record without Moss in the lineup?
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ZelieMike wrote:
I think that is some kind of insult in the palus-world.

But, I don't really know. I don't live or visit there.

ZM


I guess his post is a palus-world attempt to call me gay and insult me by insinuating that I live in a trailer.

Oh my!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates record without Moss in the lineup?
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Animal wrote:
palushock wrote:
ZelieMike wrote:
I think that is some kind of insult in the palus-world.

But, I don't really know. I don't live or visit there.

ZM


Wasn't directed at you , maybe if you were in some world you could/would have figured it out. Whatever, dude, don't need another jackal to start a pissing war with. Animal is, and will always be my Lex Luthor on this board.


Your Lex Luthor on the board?? I guess that makes you Superman?? Again, you seem to have trouble separating criticism of some of your idiotic rantings wtih the real world. If you don't want criticism, stop posting idiotic things like releasing one of our top prospects who was acquired by trading our biggest star.

Understand? Or should I type slower?


If you believe Moss is one of the Team's top prospects you are sadly informed.
I typed that kind of slow, but maybe not slow enough for you.
Moss is nothing more than a throw in from that trade now. Of course at the time, the team had higher expectations for him, but i am sure they realize now, after seeing him fail miserably, he won't amount to anything.
How come you can't see that?.
I think you are the slow one here, it certainly is not me.


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