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 Post subject: WEDNESDAY PIRATE TRIVIA--STRIKEOUT PITCHERS
PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:31 pm 
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Okay, personally I think this is a really good question, and quite surprising.

Of Pirate pitchers with more than 500 innings as a Pirate, who are the Top 10 in Strikeouts per Inning?

A few of these really surprised me.

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 Post subject: Re: WEDNESDAY PIRATE TRIVIA--STRIKEOUT PITCHERS
PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:36 pm 
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Not sure about the 500 innings, but I think Blyleven has to be on the list (was the question prompted by the broadcast last night?).

Also think Candelaria, Veale and Smiley might be on the list.


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Matt Morris, Randy Tomlin and Jimmie Anderson?

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 Post subject: Re: WEDNESDAY PIRATE TRIVIA--STRIKEOUT PITCHERS
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Bob Veale, Denny Neagle, Bery Blyleven, Doug Drabek, Kris Benson, Doc Ellis, Steve Blass, Fransisco Cordova, John Candelaria, Don Robinson

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:44 pm 
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I would think Bob Veale would be on that list somewhere. Guy could throw gas, but didn't know where it was going. It didn't help that he wore thick glasses. What do they say, effectively wild?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:46 pm 
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ooh....Bob Friend has to be on this list, doesn't he? How about Babe Adams?


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Okay, I am going after this in order:

(1) Oliver Perez
(2) Bob Veale
(3) Bert Blyleven
(4) Larry McWilliams
(5) John Candelaria

Not sure about Perez since I do not know if he threw 500 innings for the Buccos, and not sure about nos. 4-5.

What the hell. From memory, trivia that asks for top 5 or 10 in a category like K's per 9 innings is pretty tough.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:29 pm 
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bradf wrote:
Not sure about the 500 innings, but I think Blyleven has to be on the list (was the question prompted by the broadcast last night?).

Also think Candelaria, Veale and Smiley might be on the list.


It was not inspired by Blyleven last night, believe it or not. I started researching this a couple days ago..wanted to do something with pitching.

Blyleven is 5th on the list 2iht 6.73 K's per 9 innings. (I guess that is what I SHOULD have said, but it's basically the same thing)

Veale is #1 at 7.95 K per 9.

I would have guessed Candy and Smiley too, but nope!

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nad69dan wrote:
Bob Veale, Denny Neagle, Bery Blyleven, Doug Drabek, Kris Benson, Doc Ellis, Steve Blass, Fransisco Cordova, John Candelaria, Don Robinson


Some good (and surprising) guesses there.

We covered Veale and Blyleven bing on list, and no Candy.

Neagle is 3rd (7.14 per 9)

Again surprisingly, no Drabek, no Ellis, no Blass, and no Don Robinson (very surprising)

Cordova is 9th at 6.41 per 9.

Benson is 10th, if you can believe that, striking out 6.36 every 9 innings.

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 Post subject: Re: WEDNESDAY PIRATE TRIVIA--STRIKEOUT PITCHERS
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bradf wrote:
ooh....Bob Friend has to be on this list, doesn't he? How about Babe Adams?



No Bob Friend.
No Babe Adams.

Surpisingly, Bob Veale is the only guy on the list to pitch before 1970.

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Bucfan wrote:
Okay, I am going after this in order:

(1) Oliver Perez
(2) Bob Veale
(3) Bert Blyleven
(4) Larry McWilliams
(5) John Candelaria

Not sure about Perez since I do not know if he threw 500 innings for the Buccos, and not sure about nos. 4-5.

What the hell. From memory, trivia that asks for top 5 or 10 in a category like K's per 9 innings is pretty tough.


Good Educated Guesses.

Perez would be #1 but he only threw 391 innings for Bucs, but struck out 421!!!!!!! 9.96 per 9 innings. In 2004, he averaged nearly 11 strikouts per 9 innings. WOW@

We covered Veale, Blyleven, and Candy. Your guess of McWilliams surprises me. I remember him as more of a junk pitcher and not a lot of strikouts. It compelled me to go and check. I did not feel like doing the Pirate specific math, but during his career, he averaged 5.4 Ks per 9. The last guy in our top 10, Benson averaged 6.36. McWilliams did have 199 Ks in 1983.

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John Smiley or Mike Williams (not sure if he had 500 IPs)?


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What about Torres? I know he had a lot of games pitched during his time, is he over 500 innings?

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Okay, let's look at where we stand so far.

#1 Bob Veale 7.95

#3 Denny Neagle 7.14

# 5 Bert Blyleven 6.73

#9 Francisco Cordova 6.41

# 10 Kris Benson 6.36.

We need #2, 4, 6, 7, and 8.

#2 #4, and #8 surprised me a little, at least initially.

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Okay, let's look at where we stand so far.

#1 Bob Veale 7.95

#3 Denny Neagle 7.14

# 5 Bert Blyleven 6.73

#9 Francisco Cordova 6.41

# 10 Kris Benson 6.36.

We need #2, 4, 6, 7, and 8.

#2 #4, and #8 surprised me a little, at least initially.

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nad69dan wrote:
What about Torres? I know he had a lot of games pitched during his time, is he over 500 innings?


Good guess there Dan.


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Animal wrote:
#2 #4, and #8 surprised me a little, at least initially.


That statement is screaming Kip Wells...

Kip Wells, final answer...

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OK - Just because I always liked the name, Cilio Guante!


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Jose DeLeon?

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Argentum wrote:
John Smiley or Mike Williams (not sure if he had 500 IPs)?


I would have guessed Smiley too, but he is not on list. For his career, he averaged 6.1 per 9. For the Bucs, his seasonal numbers were 6.9, 7.0, but then just 5.7, 5.4, 5.2, and 5.6.

Mike Williams is a good guess, but he only hd 321 innings...but he averaged 8.9 per 9.

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