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 Post subject: Is McCutchen faster than Nyjer???
PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:04 am 
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Has anybody heard, or does anybody know first hand who is faster?

It could be sweet having two speed burners at the top of the lineup.

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 Post subject: Re: Is McCutchen faster than Nyjer???
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We haven't had this much speed at the top of the order since Taveras and Moreno were in our lineup (or maybe Moreno was hitting 8th.. I've forgotten.)


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 Post subject: Re: Is McCutchen faster than Nyjer???
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Ollie wrote:
We haven't had this much speed at the top of the order since Taveras and Moreno were in our lineup (or maybe Moreno was hitting 8th.. I've forgotten.)


I think Moreno was 2nd. He was one of my favs as a very young kid.

I'm watching the Mets feed of today's game (as I type) for the game today via the DVR. They seem to think that Cutc is faster but they think both are amazing. They said they look like "fleas" in the 1st inning. In that they can't be caught.

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 Post subject: Re: Is McCutchen faster than Nyjer???
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There better be lots of speed in the lineup because with Nate gone there is zero power. And don't expect Doumit to provide it when he returns if you pay attention to the history of players with wrist injuries it usually takes a year for the power to return.


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 Post subject: Re: Is McCutchen faster than Nyjer???
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MoTownWV wrote:
There better be lots of speed in the lineup because with Nate gone there is zero power. And don't expect Doumit to provide it when he returns if you pay attention to the history of players with wrist injuries it usually takes a year for the power to return.


Totally agree.

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 Post subject: Re: Is McCutchen faster than Nyjer???
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Ollie wrote:
We haven't had this much speed at the top of the order since Taveras and Moreno were in our lineup (or maybe Moreno was hitting 8th.. I've forgotten.)


Pretty good comparison.

If I recall correctly, and someone can certainly correct me if I am wrong, but back in 78 and 79 (before the Foli trade), didn't Tavaras lead off with Omar second against righties, and Omar 8th against lefties? I cannot remember who batted second against lefties though..I think Garner may have for a while in 79. Maybe Stennett in '78?

Also, if I recall correctly, didn't Bonds and Van Slyke bat 1-2 for most of 1987? That's some pretty good speed at the top of the order...and I also think John Cangelosi was in there somewhere.

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 Post subject: Re: Is McCutchen faster than Nyjer???
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Animal wrote:
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Ollie wrote:
We haven't had this much speed at the top of the order since Taveras and Moreno were in our lineup (or maybe Moreno was hitting 8th.. I've forgotten.)


Pretty good comparison.

If I recall correctly, and someone can certainly correct me if I am wrong, but back in 78 and 79 (before the Foli trade), didn't Tavaras lead off with Omar second against righties, and Omar 8th against lefties? I cannot remember who batted second against lefties though..I think Garner may have for a while in 79. Maybe Stennett in '78?

Also, if I recall correctly, didn't Bonds and Van Slyke bat 1-2 for most of 1987? That's some pretty good speed at the top of the order...and I also think John Cangelosi was in there somewhere.


I looked on Baseball Reference. It looks like in '78 Moreno mostly batted #2. Toward the end of the year he started moving to #8.

Nyjer really reminds me of Omar and I don't know if it's because I was young then and liked his style or if he truly is a similar type player. I'm wondering if other old timers have thought the same.

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Yes, it was 1978, with Tavares 1, Moreno 2, Parker 3, STargell 4. They marketed that as "Lumber and Lightning." I used to have a program from that year with cartoon images of guys running and guys hitting.


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 Post subject: Re: Is McCutchen faster than Nyjer???
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Corsair wrote:
Yes, it was 1978, with Tavares 1, Moreno 2, Parker 3, STargell 4. They marketed that as "Lumber and Lightning." I used to have a program from that year with cartoon images of guys running and guys hitting.


I really enjoyed that slogan. I listened to Milo and Lanny call those games on a console stereo the size of a couch :) I bring that up from time to time but a lot of people don't remember. It's a really cool slogan.

I might have that program in a box somewhere. I alway bought them and kept score. I had a "poster day" poster sponsored by Daily's Little Hugs :) that had the pitchers on it. It was on my wall for years. Jim Rooker, Candy, Reuss, Blyleven, Teke, Jackson, and more. Jackson was a fave as a kid because his daughters were in my class.

That's a great reminder :) I should go to bed now.

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 Post subject: Re: Is McCutchen faster than Nyjer???
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Yep, Lumber and Lightning was a cool nickname.

I believe Moreno and Tavaras were 1-2 in SB at least once, if not more.

Nyjer really doesn't remind me of Omar. Omar was tall and had those long legs and strides. He made running look so effortless. Actually, Nyjer reminds me more of Tavaras. McCutchen might actually remind me more of Moreno.

Regardless, I would be ecstatic if the two of them could bring back some of that excitement. I think having real SB threats is very exciting. To me, the SB is one of the most exciting things in baseball.

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Personally, I hope neither is at all like Tavaras. He was terrible. I do agree that McCutch glides around like Moreno. But, I guarantee you he can actually hit, unlike Moreno.

These two, despite McCutch's youth and Nyger's flaws, are easily the most exciting at the top since I've been watching the Bucs. Especially if Nyger continues to get OB at a healthy clip.

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Animal wrote:
Omar was tall and had those long legs and strides. He made running look so effortless.


They didn't call him "the antelope" for nothing!


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Boston, my family had one of those huge stereos too. It took the place of a desk or dresser. I used the turntable to play my PFunk records.


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Give up the funk baby!!!!!!YYYEEAAHHH!!!!!


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Az Bucco fan wrote:
Give up the funk baby!!!!!!YYYEEAAHHH!!!!!


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I just hope McCutchen can slide better than Nyjer.


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Slide? He don't need no stinking slide. He GLIDES into a base, baby...

Cue Parliament Funkadelic...

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Good one burgher.


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 Post subject: Re: Is McCutchen faster than Nyjer???
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Animal wrote:
Actually, Nyjer reminds me more of Tavaras. McCutchen might actually remind me more of Moreno.

Running only, ehhh, maybe a bit.

But Cutch is faster in the first 5-6 steps than was Moreno. Moreno took a bit to get going, but his top speed was amazing.

In terms of actual baseball talent, the HUGE edge goes to the current duo, since Tavares was a horrible hitter and Moreno well below average. McCutchen projects as vastly superior to both. And Morgan is a much better hitter than Taveras, and probably better than Moreno. (From 1977 through 1982, Moreno posted an OPS of better than .681 just once - a very middling .714. His OPS+ (which compares his offense to the league average) was never higher than 91, and was as low as 68. That is just freaking horrid.

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