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 Post subject: Matt Weiters
PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 7:12 pm 
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Is now a major leaguer. Called up and ready to play according to ESPN.
Our mistake is here to haunt us. Get ready for the anti-group to come out big time.

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 Post subject: Re: Matt Weiters
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Substitute2 wrote:
Is now a major leaguer. Called up and ready to play according to ESPN.
Our mistake is here to haunt us. Get ready for the anti-group to come out big time.


In many ways, the Matt Weiters "mistake" was a good thing: It brought the inner workings of the franchise out into the open, making nearly impossible for the ownership to get away with it, ever again.

As evidenced by the signing of Alvarez the very next year.

Sacrificial lambs were invented(Littlefield), and Boris owned prospects were signed by necessity(Alvarez).


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 Post subject: Re: Matt Weiters
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I have watched much of the Baltimore game. Not having him as a Pirate is painful. There is a playoff buzz at Camden Yards. The announcers are saying that the walk-up crowd for the game was well over 15,000 and season ticket sales are up. Great.

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 Post subject: Re: Matt Weiters
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Rod Serling wrote:


Sacrificial lambs were invented(Littlefield),



I don't think you had to "invent" DL as a sacrificial lamb. I think he deserved every stone thrown at him.


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 Post subject: Re: Matt Weiters
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Rod Serling wrote:
Substitute2 wrote:
Is now a major leaguer. Called up and ready to play according to ESPN.
Our mistake is here to haunt us. Get ready for the anti-group to come out big time.


In many ways, the Matt Weiters "mistake" was a good thing: It brought the inner workings of the franchise out into the open, making nearly impossible for the ownership to get away with it, ever again.



Just wait until we draft somebody like Bobby Borschering or Wil Meyers with our 4th pick so we have the money to "maybe" sign Miguel Angel Sano.

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 Post subject: Re: Matt Weiters
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If Littfield was just following orders to be cheap, how to explain DL trading for Morris and paying his whole salary when no one else would touch him? Was that forced on him too by the cheap owner?

Get a life.

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 Post subject: Re: Matt Weiters
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Substitute2 wrote:
If Littfield was just following orders to be cheap, how to explain DL trading for Morris and paying his whole salary when no one else would touch him? Was that forced on him too by the cheap owner?

Get a life.


Stan Savran himself said at the time that it was "the ONLY move Littlefield made without orders", as a way of "making a last ditch effort to save his job somehow".

Get a memory.


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 Post subject: Re: Matt Weiters
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Rod Serling wrote:
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If Littfield was just following orders to be cheap, how to explain DL trading for Morris and paying his whole salary when no one else would touch him? Was that forced on him too by the cheap owner?

Get a life.


Stan Savran himself said at the time that it was "the ONLY move Littlefield made without orders", as a way of "making a last ditch effort to save his job somehow".

Get a memory.

Yeah, and Stan Savran knows everything, doesn't he?

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 Post subject: Re: Matt Weiters
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Willton wrote:
Rod Serling wrote:
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If Littfield was just following orders to be cheap, how to explain DL trading for Morris and paying his whole salary when no one else would touch him? Was that forced on him too by the cheap owner?

Get a life.


Stan Savran himself said at the time that it was "the ONLY move Littlefield made without orders", as a way of "making a last ditch effort to save his job somehow".

Get a memory.

Yeah, and Stan Savran knows everything, doesn't he?


He is THE most respected, reveared, looked up to, and admired, sports broadcaster in the city of Pittsburgh.


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 Post subject: Re: Matt Weiters
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Rod Serling wrote:
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Yeah, and Stan Savran knows everything, doesn't he?


He is THE most respected, reveared, looked up to, and admired, sports broadcaster in the city of Pittsburgh.

While that may be true, that speaks nothing to his knowledge of the inner workings of the Pittsburgh Pirates front office. He is a broadcaster, not an investigative journalist.

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 Post subject: Re: Matt Weiters
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Are you saying that you know for sure that Stan Savaran isn't correct Wilton? Not that you would know seeing as you're not from Pittsburgh, but in addition to being a broadcaster, Mr. Savaran is also a sports reporter, in fact, he's been mainly a reporter for most of his career, and as Rod said, the most respected sports reporter in the city.

If you feel have more insight on this matter than Stan Savaran does, or have more knowledge on the subject than him, and you would like to share, by all means, feel free. However, I have to believe he's not talking out of his ass on this one.

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 Post subject: Re: Matt Weiters
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omgardd wrote:
Are you saying that you know for sure that Stan Savaran isn't correct Wilton? Not that you would know seeing as you're not from Pittsburgh, but in addition to being a broadcaster, Mr. Savaran is also a sports reporter, in fact, he's been mainly a reporter for most of his career, and as Rod said, the most respected sports reporter in the city.

That's all well and good, but has Savran been an investigative sports reporter for the past 8 years? Because that is the relevant time frame when we're talking about Dave Littlefield. Savran's history from 1981-1991 as a reporter is irrelevant to this issue.

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If you feel have more insight on this matter than Stan Savaran does, or have more knowledge on the subject than him, and you would like to share, by all means, feel free. However, I have to believe he's not talking out of his ass on this one.

Then where is his authority? On what basis does he claim that Littlefield never executed a move without an order from above (who at the time was Kevin McClatchy)? Because if I remember correctly, I've read a few articles by Kovacevic that explained that Kevin McClatchy often left Littlefield to his own devices while McClatchy was president of the team.

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 Post subject: Re: Matt Weiters
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Rod Serling wrote:
Substitute2 wrote:
Is now a major leaguer. Called up and ready to play according to ESPN.
Our mistake is here to haunt us. Get ready for the anti-group to come out big time.


In many ways, the Matt Weiters "mistake" was a good thing: It brought the inner workings of the franchise out into the open, making nearly impossible for the ownership to get away with it, ever again.

As evidenced by the signing of Alvarez the very next year.

Sacrificial lambs were invented(Littlefield), and Boris owned prospects were signed by necessity(Alvarez).

Ownership did not pass on Matt Weiters. David Littlefield passed on Matt Weiters. Then ownership fired David Littlefield for passing on Matt Weiters, among other mistakes.

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 Post subject: Re: Matt Weiters
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Anyone who thinks the Weiter's move was anything other than a DL decision simply hasn't listened or read the papers.

If you want folks who "know the inner workings", you simply have to read DK or the Trib beat writer, or the BCT beat writer, or John Perrotto, to know what went on. Which was, DL passed on his scouts recommendations and unilaterally chose Moskos.

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 Post subject: Re: Matt Weiters
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Littlefield did not have the stones to deal with Boras. That's why he passed on Wieters.


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I know for a fact that everyone in the Pirates organization wanted DL to take Wieters, but he passed on him because he didn't think he (Wieters) would amount to much..that's the story..


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And all the time I thought that "The Genius" Lanny Poffo "World's Smartest Man" Was actually Lanny Poffo. Maybe that is really DL as the Dos Equis "World's Most Interesting Man." What a guy.


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You guys can argue all you want, I take curveradio's view. He was and is in a position to know not surmise. Well, that being said, we sure needed a change in GM didn't we?

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Ralphie wrote:
Littlefield did not have the stones to deal with Boras. That's why he passed on Wieters.

No, he was so stupid that he thought Moskos would get to the majors faster. That's why he passed on Wieters.

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I'm sure Moskos will be better. :roll:


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