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What would you do now?
1.) Nothing 32%  32%  [ 7 ]
2.) Fire John Russell 18%  18%  [ 4 ]
3.) Bring up Andrew McCutchen 27%  27%  [ 6 ]
4.) Something else, please explain 23%  23%  [ 5 ]
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:42 pm 
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I have no opinion right now myself. Probably just take our lumps and play as many of the young guys as possible as often as possible. I do think though the Bucs need a spark and Andrew McCutchen might be it. Who knows!?! :?

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I would bring up Salazar, who is a better hitter than anybody else the Pirates have to play RF. He can hold down the position for a few weeks, until McCutchen is brought up in June.

I would also shake up the order of people used out of the pen. Grabow is struggling and is just not a good pitcher right now. He cannot be trusted in close games any more. Suck it up and bring in Chavez, Meek and Burnett in close games. They will struggle, but at least they have some future with the club. Grabow does not.


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I haven't looked at numbers, but if you all say Salazar is doing well, then I will go with bringing him up. Send down Bixler, bring up Cruz.

Next, I will begin using Meek, Chavez, Burnett, and even Veal. If you're losing by a handful of runs, what does it hurt to get these guys in and to get them some experience?


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Sell the Franchise to a responsible owner who wants to put a winning product on the field.


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Bucfan wrote:
I would bring up Salazar, who is a better hitter than anybody else the Pirates have to play RF. He can hold down the position for a few weeks, until McCutchen is brought up in June.

I would also shake up the order of people used out of the pen. Grabow is struggling and is just not a good pitcher right now. He cannot be trusted in close games any more. Suck it up and bring in Chavez, Meek and Burnett in close games. They will struggle, but at least they have some future with the club. Grabow does not.



What about Young?? I am not sure if it is too soon to give up on Moss or not, but if so, what about DYoung? He has done nothing but hit since he has been here. Freddie is playing well, so he isn't going to get much playing time at 2b. Wonder if Freddie could at least play an average SS? Then Young could play 2b.

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1. Honus Wagner Bobblehead Night.
2. Fireworks after every game.
3. An amusement park for a ball park.
4. Dollar Hot Dogs.
5. 1-800-Buy-Bucs.
6. An entire Broadcasting Staff(excluding Paul Alexander and Stan Savran)making excuses, and spin doctoring on FSN.
7. Pie Trainor Bobblehead Night.
8. Home Series vs. the Red Sox and Yankees.
9. "The Best Management Team In Baseball".
10. "We Will".



WHAT? You mean we already did all these?

Let's keep it up, our owner is making a huge profit every year, all is well!


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I haven't looked at numbers, but if you all say Salazar is doing well, then I will go with bringing him up. Send down Bixler, bring up Cruz.


No need for Cruz. Bixler will be sent down tomorrow to activate Jack Wilson.

Not sure who I would send down to make room for Salazar, as Moss it out of options and there is no way he clears waivers.

I do agree with Bucfan regarding shuffling the pen. Grabow needs a few turns in the 5th/6th inning to get things back to where they were last year. I fear that the bone chips in the elbow might be a problem and he'll be on the DL soon enough.

But really, I think Charlie said it best on his blog. To paraphrase: Bad teams go on losing streaks, and we are a bad team. We aren't as good as our 11-7 start, and we aren't as bad as this losing streak.

No need to panic. Play what we have and evaluate after everyone has had 200-300 AB's.




Besides, we can blame it all on the Jason Bay trade- er, salary dump. QUALITY DEPTH!


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What needs to happen to turn this around?

Easy Answer: Bob Nutting goes bankrupt, arrested for child pornography, and calls Bud Selig a "used car salesman".

Anything less and the Nutting family will stick around until the Pirates become a losing business model.


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Eric Bowser wrote:
What needs to happen to turn this around?

Easy Answer: Bob Nutting goes bankrupt, arrested for child pornography, and calls Bud Selig a "used car salesman".

Anything less and the Nutting family will stick around until the Pirates become a losing business model.


...Ah, but the Pirates are a WINNING model: Bob Nutting routinely pays out a bottom five payroll, trades away his best players at the deadline for minor league talent, the FSN media tells us "no free agent wants to come to pittsburgh...", takes Red Sox and Yankee cable money and pockets it, makes a HUGE profit, and loses 95 games per year.

And every year "fans" of the pirates accept it and justify it by claiming that Nutting is a "good businessman" and "he has a right to make a profit".

Which is exactly how you get an all time, all encompassing, sporting record, SEVENTEEN STRAIGHT LOSING SEASONS.


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Rod Serling wrote:
...Ah, but the Pirates are a WINNING model: Bob Nutting routinely pays out a bottom five payroll, trades away his best players at the deadline for minor league talent, the FSN media tells us "no free agent wants to come to pittsburgh...", takes Red Sox and Yankee cable money and pockets it, makes a HUGE profit, and loses 95 games per year.

And every year "fans" of the pirates accept it and justify it by claiming that Nutting is a "good businessman" and "he has a right to make a profit".

Which is exactly how you get an all time, all encompassing, sporting record, SEVENTEEN STRAIGHT LOSING SEASONS.


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Nutting IS a good businessman and has the right to make as much money as possible. Fans have a right to give or not give their time and money to his business The Newspaper business has changed/declined and is not be doing wery well. But the baseball team despite a year in year out bad team is very profitable. Why would they sell this money machine? They preach accountability, yet not enough fans make them accountable. The Fans who keep supporting it have to look in the mirror and ask how and why they back up and justify what this organization does. The 17 years and counting of losing is a result of MLB economics, owner cheapness and poor management. Even though Bob Nutting became the faceman a couple of years ago, the Nutting family money has been involved since 1996 and is the one constant major influence with all the losing.

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I picked 2 options. Do nothing and something else. Which is hope, because thats all they can really do. Hope to end this losing streak soon so the mark the Tigers sent isn't in our conversations soon. Also hope players like Adam LaRoche and John Grabow start playing better to they make decent trade bait.

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 Post subject: Re: What would you do now?
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Why would you call Salazar up over Steve Pearce?

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omgardd wrote:
Why would you call Salazar up over Steve Pearce?


Salazar has better number in the majors and in the minors this year. Plus there is only a 2 year age difference. Don't get me wrong Salazar isn't the Pirates savior, but i think Steve Pearce will end up being a minor league journeymen. Also the other youngers guys haven't proven themselves enough in the minors to be called up yet.


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BBF wrote:
cappscrew138 wrote:
I haven't looked at numbers, but if you all say Salazar is doing well, then I will go with bringing him up. Send down Bixler, bring up Cruz.


No need for Cruz. Bixler will be sent down tomorrow to activate Jack Wilson.

Not sure who I would send down to make room for Salazar, as Moss it out of options and there is no way he clears waivers.

I do agree with Bucfan regarding shuffling the pen. Grabow needs a few turns in the 5th/6th inning to get things back to where they were last year. I fear that the bone chips in the elbow might be a problem and he'll be on the DL soon enough.

But really, I think Charlie said it best on his blog. To paraphrase: Bad teams go on losing streaks, and we are a bad team. We aren't as good as our 11-7 start, and we aren't as bad as this losing streak.

No need to panic. Play what we have and evaluate after everyone has had 200-300 AB's.




Besides, we can blame it all on the Jason Bay trade- er, salary dump. QUALITY DEPTH!



You can bring up Salazar and DFA Monroe, now with Young on the roster you have your extra OFer...and send Moss to the bench for a while...

I'm curious to know if Diaz and Jaramilo can play other positions? Rocco, on his radio show, said their combined stats are similar to what Doumit was putting up last season...I'd love to see their bats stay in the lineup along with Doumit when he returns...

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All we can do is hold current course and hope Huntington does the rest of job getting returns for guys we have now that will not be here soon. We have to get what we can for Freddy, Jack, Adam LaRoche, and Grabow before the trade deadline. Many people are disappointed with the Bay trade, but Andy LaRoche looks to have a future with this team. Young doesn't seem too bad yet either. If Morgan continues to have a great season, include him on this list as well. He may not be worth much, but we can hopefully get something for him.


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Eric Bowser wrote:
What needs to happen to turn this around?

Easy Answer: Bob Nutting goes bankrupt, arrested for child pornography, and calls Bud Selig a "used car salesman".

Anything less and the Nutting family will stick around until the Pirates become a losing business model.


Bud selig IS a "used car salesman"


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Piratefan13 wrote:
Eric Bowser wrote:
What needs to happen to turn this around?

Easy Answer: Bob Nutting goes bankrupt, arrested for child pornography, and calls Bud Selig a "used car salesman".

Anything less and the Nutting family will stick around until the Pirates become a losing business model.


Bud selig IS a "used car salesman"



...Who takes checks from George Steinbrenner as bribes, turns his back on steroids, puts his own team in a division it doesn't belong in to help them get to the playoffs, and pouts like Droopy Dog when justifying it...


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I chose the "Fire Russell" option, not so much because I think that will turn this slide around (although it may), but moreso just because I don't think he's very good.

I don't know why so many are clamoring for McCutcheon. He is hitting .257 with 1 homer in 115 at bats.

Basically we have to ride this out and look to the distant future, because things look bleak in the short term.


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omgardd wrote:
Why would you call Salazar up over Steve Pearce?

He is an outfielder. Pearce is playing first base.


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