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 Post subject: TIME FOR KARSTENS TO GO!
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 4:25 pm 
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WOW HE SUCKS, CALL UP GORZO HE CAN NOT DO ANY WORSE AS A 5TH STARTER.


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 Post subject: Re: TIME FOR KARSTENS TO GO!
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 4:42 pm 
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DoeyDoumit wrote:
WOW HE SUCKS, CALL UP GORZO HE CAN NOT DO ANY WORSE AS A 5TH STARTER.

I've got news for you: fifth starters typically suck.

Also, lay off the caps lock.

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 Post subject: Re: TIME FOR KARSTENS TO GO!
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 4:43 pm 
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Apparently you haven't seen Gorzo pitch in the past 2 years...


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At this point, Karstens probably has less of a downside than Gorzo.


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 Post subject: Re: TIME FOR KARSTENS TO GO!
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I think Karstens will stay in the rotation until Phil Dumatrait is ready to come back, but it was updated on May 1st that he suffered a minor setback in his rehab. He was set as a mid-May return but i'm guessing this makes him a late-May/early-June return date.

As for the others go though in the minors Gorzo, Ty Taubenheim, Virgil Vasquez, Daniel McCutchen, and Jason Davis have all looked like they belong in the minors and don't deserved to be called up. The bullpen down there has looked better than the starters.

Also does anybody know what Jimmy Barthmaier's injury status is because i can't find any new updates on him?

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 Post subject: Re: TIME FOR KARSTENS TO GO!
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 5:01 pm 
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Gorzo pitched well his last outing, karstens blows


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 Post subject: Re: TIME FOR KARSTENS TO GO!
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DoeyDoumit wrote:
Gorzo pitched well his last outing, karstens blows


Well, I think it is a GREAT idea to base our conclusions on one minor league start, what could go wrong there???? (and by "well", he still gave up 5 runs and isn't striking people out).


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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 5:09 pm 
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Maybe JR should just rotate three pitchers for every three innings during that fifth starter game.


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DoeyDoumit wrote:
WOW HE SUCKS, CALL UP GORZO HE CAN NOT DO ANY WORSE AS A 5TH STARTER.

Are you planning on posting one of these ALL CAPS screeds after every loss all season? Just curious...


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 Post subject: Re: TIME FOR KARSTENS TO GO!
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I'm always in the camp of patience, and not basing decisions on very small sample sizes, but I have seen enough. I do not want to see any more.

I don't know who the replacement will be or where we will find him, but he has to go.


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Don't know if he'll ever develop but see no other acceptable alternative right now. Colin may have the right guy, Dumatraint, when he's recovered. Who else? And that probably gives Karsters two or three more chances to get booed by us.

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 Post subject: Re: TIME FOR KARSTENS TO GO!
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Karstens is pitching around replacement level. Which means there's not a whole lot of sense in sending him on his way, when the guy replacing him would be just as bad.


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When will Dumatrait be ready?

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Could anyone explain to me why we expect Dumatrait to be any better than replacement level? I certainly see no evidence for this.


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BBF wrote:
Could anyone explain to me why we expect Dumatrait to be any better than replacement level? I certainly see no evidence for this.


I've never seen why everyone seems to be clamoring for this guy. Had a couple decent outings last year and everyone seemed to be on his bandwagon. Two things...he was on the scrap heap when we found him and he is now coming off a serious injury. I didn't think much of him to begin with and even less now.


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I guess I'm just hoping against hope

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BBF wrote:
Could anyone explain to me why we expect Dumatrait to be any better than replacement level? I certainly see no evidence for this.



I see him as nothing better at this point than another option for #5, along with Karstens, Gorzzy, and anybody else the Bucs can try. But let's look at the positives. #5 guys are what they are #5 guys. They are the epitome of inconsistent. We have been pretty lucky with the top 4 so far!

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 Post subject: Re: TIME FOR KARSTENS TO GO!
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Animal wrote:
BBF wrote:
Could anyone explain to me why we expect Dumatrait to be any better than replacement level? I certainly see no evidence for this.



I see him as nothing better at this point than another option for #5, along with Karstens, Gorzzy, and anybody else the Bucs can try. But let's look at the positives. #5 guys are what they are #5 guys. They are the epitome of inconsistent. We have been pretty lucky with the top 4 so far!

This is an excellent and invaluable point. If we were hoping that Karstens would be anthing more than a #5 starter, I could understand the outrage. But for me, I always expected him to be in this roll. And as Animal mentioned, with the production we're seeing from the other 4, Karstens' ineffectiveness becomes much less significant. Sure, it would be great for Karstens to be a better pitcher. But it's all about perspective. For me personally, I can accept what we've had from him because Ohlendorf solidifies the rotation and makes the Nady trade that much better.


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 Post subject: Re: TIME FOR KARSTENS TO GO!
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 10:56 pm 
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If I may say, worrying about Karstans as a #5 starter is a waste. He is a number six. The problem is we have no ace. If you could get a true number one and shove everyone else down a spot, you would have a very nice rotation. Every pitcher we have is pitching one spot too high. We just need to pick up an ace somewhere. Those are a dime a dozen aren't they?


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 Post subject: Re: TIME FOR KARSTENS TO GO!
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Although Karstens is not getting it done, I'll go ahead and argue that the problem is with the offense, not the pitching, which is currently still first in the National League. I'm not sure, but it seems like the THREE SHUTOUTS IN FOUR GAMES might have something to do with it.


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