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Author:  ZelieMike [ Wed May 21, 2008 2:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Brewers vs Pirates 5/20/08

From what I'm reading herein, Alverez will not be a 3b in the MLB. Also, I read that the Pirates, also verrrrrrrrrry thin as SS, might just take the Beckham kid.

Meink is short-time, stop gap. I just cannot see him doing it every day. I'm thinking more along the lines of true 3b in the Glaus mold here. A competant guy who can hold down the place full time and respectably until Walker shows he can hit over .250!

ZM

Author:  IA Pirate [ Wed May 21, 2008 3:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Brewers vs Pirates 5/20/08

I don't think you can draft based on what the needs are for the current team. This team will not be the same team when any of these kids are ready to play in Pittsburgh. Draft the best possible player.

Author:  No. 9 [ Wed May 21, 2008 3:53 pm ]
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ZelieMike wrote:
Yeah, Bautista's swing does not look like the one I saw when he was in Rookie and A ball. Wehner has said as much, too. Its in there, but he's not doing it.

So, I can see Menk playing much more time at 3b, anda priority at the trade deadline to be a legit 3b player, whether an older stop-gap, or a real good prospect.

(The stop-gap guy would come as a throw in with real prospects, just to short circuit the future notes coming my way)

ZM


Correct me if I am wrong here . . .
Didn't DK report last year that Bautista was trying to shorten his swing both "in length" and "in force?" And, didn't DK also report that Bautista reaped the benefits of this approach after becoming comfortable with this approach?
Finally, and I ask this in all seriousness . . . what impact can playing winter ball have upon a player as far as developing bad habits or "undoing" good practices developed in the previous season?
I have no idea what Bautista did during the winter season other than playing for a Dominican team. Was he instructed to "swing" for the fences" or to be "less disciplined?" Did he have some success with a different approach over the winter and decided to stay with it?
Again, I don't know. But . . . he looks like a different player at the plate this year (with the exception of the Washington series which, ironically, may have done more harm than good in that he continued to believe that he should be "whacking away" and swinging for HRs). Personally, I was hoping that a move in the order and seeing better pitches might get him refocused on what management wants him to do. Far too early to tell after one game but . . . . he has all but played himself into a platoon and limited playing time.
Outside of the pitching staff, I can say that Bautista is my biggest disappointment this year. LaRoche is running second . . .

Author:  Willton [ Wed May 21, 2008 5:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Brewers vs Pirates 5/20/08

ZelieMike wrote:
From what I'm reading herein, Alverez will not be a 3b in the MLB. Also, I read that the Pirates, also verrrrrrrrrry thin as SS, might just take the Beckham kid.

Meink is short-time, stop gap. I just cannot see him doing it every day. I'm thinking more along the lines of true 3b in the Glaus mold here. A competant guy who can hold down the place full time and respectably until Walker shows he can hit over .250!

ZM

I find it doubtful that Beckham will be available when the Pirates pick. The Rays appear to want Beckham as the top pick in the draft.

Author:  No. 9 [ Wed May 21, 2008 5:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Brewers vs Pirates 5/20/08

Willton wrote:
I find it doubtful that Beckham will be available when the Pirates pick. The Rays appear to want Beckham as the top pick in the draft.


Maybe, maybe not: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08142/883494-63.stm

Author:  Willton [ Wed May 21, 2008 5:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Brewers vs Pirates 5/20/08

I find it seriously doubtful that the Rays will take Posey with the #1 pick. From what I've read, Posey is a good talent, but not #1 material like Beckham and Alvarez. Plus, I've read that Posey is a work in progress behind the plate, and if Posey can't make it at catcher, he becomes much less valuable.

Author:  Bucfan [ Wed May 21, 2008 6:12 pm ]
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Rays have done a good job with the top pick the last several years, but last year's selection - David Price - has yet to pitch in professional ball. Is he injured? If so, then the Rays may have learned the lesson that the Pirates have been taught - repeatedly - over the past 10 years: Selecting pitching number one is risky due to the likelihood of injury.

Author:  Willton [ Wed May 21, 2008 7:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Brewers vs Pirates 5/20/08

Bucfan wrote:
Rays have done a good job with the top pick the last several years, but last year's selection - David Price - has yet to pitch in professional ball. Is he injured? If so, then the Rays may have learned the lesson that the Pirates have been taught - repeatedly - over the past 10 years: Selecting pitching number one is risky due to the likelihood of injury.

Sure it's risky, but who were the Rays supposed to pick? David Price is a top-flight pitching prospect who will be in the majors likely by next year. I read recently that Price is currently in extended-spring training, and on his most recent start he struck out 10 in 5 innings -- including two K's by Alex Rodriguez (who was on rehab assignment). And from what scouts were saying about him last year, that's the tip of the iceberg. The Rays would have been fools to pass up on Price.

Drafting pitching in the first round is certainly risky, but often times the risk is outweighed by the potential reward. It all depends on who the pitcher is.

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