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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 7:59 pm 
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The one thing that is disappointing is Bixler's defense. I watched him dive at several balls today and miss them all. I then thought to myself, has he ever made an outstanding defensive play. Maybe I just missed it, but it doesn't seem he is capable of it.

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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 8:52 pm 
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bucco boy wrote:
The one thing that is disappointing is Bixler's defense. I watched him dive at several balls today and miss them all. I then thought to myself, has he ever made an outstanding defensive play. Maybe I just missed it, but it doesn't seem he is capable of it.

I've seen him make several outstanding players, but those are far outnumbered by the routine plays he's missed on. I'm willing to cut rookies an awful lot of slack, but I have my doubts that he's anything more than the back up middle infielder of the future.

I'd like to see him try taking the ball the other way more often at the plate.

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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 8:53 pm 
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Bixler has long thought by scouts to lack the range to play shortstop. I remember in last years Baseball America they went with top prospects by position. There was an asterisk under shortstop for Bixler because no one thought he could last there.

He has decent range, and has been looking better as of late, but he's best suited for a utility role when he figures out how to hit the ball.


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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:51 am 
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Brian Bixler does not belong on a major league team. He is simply lost at the plate. He does not hit the ball hard, on the rare occasions when he manages to put the ball in play.

His defense has been better of late. But his range sucks.


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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:27 am 
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Bixler has made a couple of very nice defensive play, but I agree, they are highly outnumbered by his typical play on routine ground balls. As for at the plate, it is simply embarrassing. I agree with Bucfan, for one he's not hitting, but he simply does look "lost" up there. I don't expect the guy to come up here and hit .300 (but would .200 really hurt?) but half of the time he's failing to make clean contact. Some of his swinging K's I've seen (and I don't see much Pirates TV) make LaRoche's look good. At any rate, as harsh as it is to say, he really has made no improvements and I really don't think he belongs here.


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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:53 am 
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Ryann wrote:
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Who is becham and can alvarez play ss?

But he has Scott Boras as an agent . . .

Maybe we should go with beckham...

Shying away from Boras clients is not a good strategy for rebuilding the team.

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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:43 am 
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Willton wrote:
Shying away from Boras clients is not a good strategy for rebuilding the team.


Absolutely. I remember Weiters being cast as $10 million dollar man, he went for $6 million while the Pirates ended up paying Moskos $4 million. The Pirates then turned around and spent the "savings" on Matt Morris.

Draft the best player available. Period. If Alvarez holds out for $10 million, call his bluff and let him rot. Worst case scenario, we get two picks next year.


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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
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Willton wrote:
Shying away from Boras clients is not a good strategy for rebuilding the team.


Absolutely. Please do not read my comment as a suggestion that the Pirates look for another player, due to the prospect's agent.

I do not think that the player's agent should play a role. However, the fact that Alvarez has Boras for an agent is something that the Pirates will consider.


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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:33 pm 
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But is alvarez as good as wieters was?

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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
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Ryann wrote:
But is alvarez as good as wieters was?

I don't know, but even if he's not, Alvarez is still the best hitting prospect in the draft. You don't pass up the best hitter in the draft based on the identity of his agent. That sort of cheapness is what got the Pirates to where they are now.

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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
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Ryann wrote:
But is alvarez as good as wieters was?


Since he is not a switch-hitting catcher, the answer is no.

And Wieters was seen as a big-time hitter who could become a clean-up guy. Alvarez is a notch below that, but is still the best hitter in this draft.


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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 2:31 pm 
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But is alvarez as good as wieters was?


Since he is not a switch-hitting catcher, the answer is no.

And Wieters was seen as a big-time hitter who could become a clean-up guy. Alvarez is a notch below that, but is still the best hitter in this draft.


Bring him on, I say.


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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
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Then where is neil walker suppose to play?

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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:00 pm 
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Then where is neil walker suppose to play?


You worry about that when the time comes. I think you bring in as many good players as possible at every position. Injuries happen, flops happen, you move guys, you make trades, etc.


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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:26 pm 
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I did a little research and I believe beckham would be the better pick. Pirates need a guy like beckham to build the team around he has really good speed hits for average and has some pop. We dont need to 3rd basemen next year and I think we need a ss for the future.

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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
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Ryann wrote:
I did a little research and I believe beckham would be the better pick. Pirates need a guy like beckham to build the team around he has really good speed hits for average and has some pop. We dont need to 3rd basemen next year and I think we need a ss for the future.


Alvarez is the better hitter. Beckham is looked at as a genuine prospect, but will not hit 25 HR's and slug .500+. Alvarez could do both if he progresses as anticipated.


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Ryann wrote:
I did a little research and I believe beckham would be the better pick. Pirates need a guy like beckham to build the team around he has really good speed hits for average and has some pop. We dont need to 3rd basemen next year and I think we need a ss for the future.

First, there's no guarantee that Alvarez will be a third baseman if and when he reaches the majors. In fact, scouts profile him as a first baseman.

Second, it's unlikely that Alvarez will reach the majors next year. He'll likely need some seasoning on the farm for at least a year. It is certainly possible that he'd reach the majors in a year, but quite unlikely. Therefore, saying that "we don't need to [sic] 3rd basemen next year" makes the faulty assumption that Alvarez will be ready in 2009.

Third, even if Alvarez were to reach the majors as a 3B while we still have Walker, that's a problem that's easily solved: move one of them. Either move Alvarez across the diamond or to the outfield, or trade Walker to a different team. There's no reason why we couldn't hold on to both players, and there's no reason why we would not be able to trade one for a more useful piece.

The current makeup of the big league team should not have that much of an effect on the team's draft choices. Just like in football, drafting based on positional need usually works out poorly. The Pirates should draft the best player available, whoever that may be.

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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
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Willton wrote:
Ryann wrote:
I did a little research and I believe beckham would be the better pick. Pirates need a guy like beckham to build the team around he has really good speed hits for average and has some pop. We dont need to 3rd basemen next year and I think we need a ss for the future.

First, there's no guarantee that Alvarez will be a third baseman if and when he reaches the majors. In fact, scouts profile him as a first baseman.

Second, it's unlikely that Alvarez will reach the majors next year. He'll likely need some seasoning on the farm for at least a year. It is certainly possible that he'd reach the majors in a year, but quite unlikely. Therefore, saying that "we don't need to [sic] 3rd basemen next year" makes the faulty assumption that Alvarez will be ready in 2009.

Third, even if Alvarez were to reach the majors as a 3B while we still have Walker, that's a problem that's easily solved: move one of them. Either move Alvarez across the diamond or to the outfield, or trade Walker to a different team. There's no reason why we couldn't hold on to both players, and there's no reason why we would not be able to trade one for a more useful piece.

The current makeup of the big league team should not have that much of an effect on the team's draft choices. Just like in football, drafting based on positional need usually works out poorly. The Pirates should draft the best player available, whoever that may be.


Agreed on all accounts. Plus nothing is guaranteed in baseball, Walker isnt exactly blowing the cover off the ball so I dont think we should just not draft someone because Neil Walker, who has never played a major league game, is also at 3rd base. The way I look at it, the only positions that we have set are in Left and Center field with Mccutchen and Mclouth. Even saying that though Mccutchen is not yet proven, this team just needs so much, I dont think anyone should be handed anything in the organization..


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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
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I agree with Econo-- we need the best player possible. I don't know who that is, but everything else is secondary to getting the best possible player.

Forget his position, his agent, or his propensity for playing chess (or chest), let's get the best kid-- period.

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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
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But still beckham could be the best kid. I think the pirates need 5 tool players for their team, and alvarez is not a 5 tool guy. Still you cant go that bad with either one, their is positives for each one and not a ton of negatives. Lets just hope they dont screw up the draft and grab a pitcher.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb ... mc=alvarez


http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb ... c=tbeckham

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