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 Post subject: SS of the Future.
PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 4:47 pm 
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I was wondering do the Pirates have any legitimate future starting shortstops in their farm system? When jack wilson is gone whos this teams ss? Brian Bixler is not a major league ss and wont ever be.

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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 5:04 pm 
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The Pirates' best SS prospect appears to be Brian Friday, who is playing for Lynchburg. He is hitting .300 with 18 walks, 14 doubles, 27 runs scored.

http://tinyurl.com/69p3tw

So he can hit, get on base, hit for extra bases. But A ball is a long way from the majors.


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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 5:21 pm 
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Give it about 3 weeks and I think we may have another..


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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
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jni123 wrote:
Give it about 3 weeks and I think we may have another..


So you think the Pirates like Beckham, even if Alvarez is available? Beckham is a good player, no question, and is going to be a good choice in the top 5, but Alvarez is a combination of power, plate discipline and decent speed.


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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 6:11 pm 
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Anyone is better then bixler he looked at a fastball right down the middle for strike 3 to lose the game today. 3k's and a groundout for him today...batting .171.

Who is becham and can alvarez play ss?

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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
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Bucfan wrote:
jni123 wrote:
Give it about 3 weeks and I think we may have another..


So you think the Pirates like Beckham, even if Alvarez is available? Beckham is a good player, no question, and is going to be a good choice in the top 5, but Alvarez is a combination of power, plate discipline and decent speed.


Its not that I necessarily think Beckham is better, I am just saying that we may have our SS of the future in a little bit. I would pick Alvarez, but even though the Pirates say that salary doesnt matter and they will be making a splash, I will not believe it till I see it.

That being said I would be happy with either..


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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
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jni123 wrote:
That being said I would be happy with either..


Both are very good prospects but Alvarez projects as a power hitter. As between a good hitter and a good hitter with power, go with the latter.

Unless, of course, Daniel Moskos is available.


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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
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Ryann wrote:
Who is becham and can alvarez play ss?


Tim Beckham is a high school SS prospect who is a quality hitter. He also seems to be a guy, unlike BJ Upton, who will remain at SS.

Pedro Alvarez is perhaps the best hitting prospect in college. He is a third baseman for Vanderbilt. He is big, with good plate discipline and power, who has hit against good competition as part of a USA team. He is never going to play SS. Some think he may have to move to first base.

But he has Scott Boras as an agent . . .


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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
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Bucfan wrote:
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Who is becham and can alvarez play ss?


But he has Scott Boras as an agent . . .


Maybe we should go with beckham...

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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
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I personally have become more enamored with Beckham the more I've read about him the last couple of weeks, but that doesn't mean I'm not still very big on Alvarez. He has fallen to the 8th best draft prospect according to John Sickels who ranks them without any eye towards the team drafting them.

However, I do not want to draft Posey. I'm always wary of guys who put up great draft season numbers and move up the board that way when they weren't seen as having that much talent before hand. I like Posey in the 10-15 slot, not at number 2.


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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
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The one thing that is disappointing is Bixler's defense. I watched him dive at several balls today and miss them all. I then thought to myself, has he ever made an outstanding defensive play. Maybe I just missed it, but it doesn't seem he is capable of it.

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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 8:52 pm 
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bucco boy wrote:
The one thing that is disappointing is Bixler's defense. I watched him dive at several balls today and miss them all. I then thought to myself, has he ever made an outstanding defensive play. Maybe I just missed it, but it doesn't seem he is capable of it.

I've seen him make several outstanding players, but those are far outnumbered by the routine plays he's missed on. I'm willing to cut rookies an awful lot of slack, but I have my doubts that he's anything more than the back up middle infielder of the future.

I'd like to see him try taking the ball the other way more often at the plate.

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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
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Bixler has long thought by scouts to lack the range to play shortstop. I remember in last years Baseball America they went with top prospects by position. There was an asterisk under shortstop for Bixler because no one thought he could last there.

He has decent range, and has been looking better as of late, but he's best suited for a utility role when he figures out how to hit the ball.


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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
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Brian Bixler does not belong on a major league team. He is simply lost at the plate. He does not hit the ball hard, on the rare occasions when he manages to put the ball in play.

His defense has been better of late. But his range sucks.


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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
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Bixler has made a couple of very nice defensive play, but I agree, they are highly outnumbered by his typical play on routine ground balls. As for at the plate, it is simply embarrassing. I agree with Bucfan, for one he's not hitting, but he simply does look "lost" up there. I don't expect the guy to come up here and hit .300 (but would .200 really hurt?) but half of the time he's failing to make clean contact. Some of his swinging K's I've seen (and I don't see much Pirates TV) make LaRoche's look good. At any rate, as harsh as it is to say, he really has made no improvements and I really don't think he belongs here.


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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
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Ryann wrote:
Bucfan wrote:
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Who is becham and can alvarez play ss?

But he has Scott Boras as an agent . . .

Maybe we should go with beckham...

Shying away from Boras clients is not a good strategy for rebuilding the team.

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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
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Willton wrote:
Shying away from Boras clients is not a good strategy for rebuilding the team.


Absolutely. I remember Weiters being cast as $10 million dollar man, he went for $6 million while the Pirates ended up paying Moskos $4 million. The Pirates then turned around and spent the "savings" on Matt Morris.

Draft the best player available. Period. If Alvarez holds out for $10 million, call his bluff and let him rot. Worst case scenario, we get two picks next year.


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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
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Willton wrote:
Shying away from Boras clients is not a good strategy for rebuilding the team.


Absolutely. Please do not read my comment as a suggestion that the Pirates look for another player, due to the prospect's agent.

I do not think that the player's agent should play a role. However, the fact that Alvarez has Boras for an agent is something that the Pirates will consider.


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 Post subject: Re: SS of the Future.
PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:33 pm 
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But is alvarez as good as wieters was?

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Ryann wrote:
But is alvarez as good as wieters was?

I don't know, but even if he's not, Alvarez is still the best hitting prospect in the draft. You don't pass up the best hitter in the draft based on the identity of his agent. That sort of cheapness is what got the Pirates to where they are now.

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