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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:52 am 
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http://pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090415&content_id=4275936&vkey=news_pit&fext=.jsp&c_id=pit

Does that mean Cruz goes back down?


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This scared me when i first read it. It is from Yahoo's fantasy baseball.

Tue, Apr 14

Young was traded to Pittsburgh on Tuesday for two players to be named later, the Dodgers' official site reports.

Recommendation: The players are rumored to be Pedro Alvarez and Andrew McCutcheon. Just kidding. Seriously though, Young can hit, but his lack of defensive versatility left him expendable in an organization with four superior (okay, three then) outfield options. He'll be a pinch-hitter and backup corner outfielder in Pittsburgh. He could eventually have some NL-only playing time, but we'll have to first see how he's used.


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Here is a link to his Wikipedia page. He was very good in the minors except for striking out alot. It also says until 2006 he played 2nd base.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delwyn_Young

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 Post subject: Re: Young a Pirate?
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Well, we don't know who the ptbnl are, but at face value I like this move. I would assume it's Cruz who gets dumped but wonder just how reliable Young will be as a back-up infielder considering he has 7 whole games of experience at 2b. He was moved to OF in the minors because he lacked the range to play middle defense. If he hits like a lot of people think he can, I guess his defensive liabilities will be mitigated. A switch hitting fourth outfielder who ultimately ends up replacing Monroe and/or Hinske after their one year is up.


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Well, I don't know anything about him other than he's supposed to hit well.

That said, is he athletic? Does he have the physical skills to be a Perry Hill project at 2nd?

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ZelieMike wrote:
Well, I don't know anything about him other than he's supposed to hit well.

That said, is he athletic? Does he have the physical skills to be a Perry Hill project at 2nd?

ZM


I don't think him playing second is on the Pirates radar. I think he is there to be a back up outfielder and more importantly than that i think he is coming to be a back up bat. His infield skills are very limited to say the least but they also said the same about Skip Schumaker in St. Louis and i think he has looked very good at second so far this year.


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Just pulled out my 2008 BA prospect handbook and they had this to say about Young...

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Comparisons range from Matt Stairs to Lenny Harris, but the concensus is that Young will hit enough to have a significant major league career. It's likely as a reserve in LA, but he could carve out an everyday role with a second-division team down the road.


Prophetic?


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Argentum wrote:
Just pulled out my 2008 BA prospect handbook and they had this to say about Young...

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Comparisons range from Matt Stairs to Lenny Harris, but the concensus is that Young will hit enough to have a significant major league career. It's likely as a reserve in LA, but he could carve out an everyday role with a second-division team down the road.


Prophetic?


Wow Baseball America saw this one coming. I'm just wondering now who the two players we will be giving up for him are.


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Colin21 wrote:
Wow Baseball America saw this one coming. I'm just wondering now who the two players we will be giving up for him are.


It's a waiver wire deal. No way would the Pirates be giving up any real prospects.

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The rules for PTBNL mandate that the two minor league players not have played in the majors at any time during the season. Additionally, since the Dodgers do not have room on their 40-man roster for Young, it stands to reason that the two players are not going to require being put on the roster.

That said, giving up anything other than mediocre A-ball prospects would not make much sense. Young is not a top prospect by any stretch of the imagination. He was the Dodgers' primary pinch hitter last year, going 14-48 with 8 walks, a .292 average and .393 OBP in that role. It seems likely that he will be a pinch-hitting specialist and outfield sub.


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Bucfan wrote:
That said, giving up anything other than mediocre A-ball prospects would not make much sense. Young is not a top prospect by any stretch of the imagination. He was the Dodgers' primary pinch hitter last year, going 14-48 with 8 walks, a .292 average and .393 OBP in that role. It seems likely that he will be a pinch-hitting specialist and outfield sub.


The Pirates get younger and add a guy who has some upside. The more I think about it, the more I think Monroe may be the guy getting the boot.


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Losing Cruz would hurt the team by losing an infielder and gaining another OFer...

That puts alot of pressure on Vazquez to play the infield, but it would make Russell have to play Andy some more, because the only other 3rd base option would be Hinske...I'm curious to see who gets cut

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Losing Cruz would hurt the team by losing an infielder and gaining another OFer...


I agree with this. That's why I think Cruz stays and it becomes Hinske vs Monroe with Monroe losing out.


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As I also like this deal based on the simple idea of acquiring Young, we need to reserve judgement until we know all the details. And as it's highly likely the PTBNL will be relatively insignificant, I can not say it's a good deal until we know exactly what the Pirates paid for Young.


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Argentum wrote:
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The more I think about it, the more I think Monroe may be the guy getting the boot.

Yeah, I think Monroe has a pink slip waiting for him this morning. Thanks for the 3 HR game in Bradenton, Craig. Check's in the mail.

Though he's a switch-hitter, Young's OPS is more than 100 points better from the right hand side. I imagine he'll get the bulk of LF starts vs. lefties once Morgan inevitably cools off.

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LtCol Kojak Slaphead wrote:
Argentum wrote:
Bucfan wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I think Monroe may be the guy getting the boot.

Yeah, I think Monroe has a pink slip waiting for him this morning. Thanks for the 3 HR game in Bradenton, Craig. Check's in the mail.

Though he's a switch-hitter, Young's OPS is more than 100 points better from the right hand side. I imagine he'll get the bulk of LF starts vs. lefties once Morgan inevitably cools off.


I agree. I think as long as they waited to add Monroe to the final roster coming out of spring probably indicates he wasn't someone they were real high on, despite his spring results.


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DK is reporting on his blog that Dave Davidson got DFA'ed to make room on the 40 man. The Pirates will make the 25 man roster decision Friday.


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Would that mean that Monroe is safe? He cannot be sent down because he has no options. If he was the one that was to be axed out of a spot at the MLB level, they would just release him and the spot on the 40man would be open. I could be completely wrong...


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Piratefan13 wrote:
Would that mean that Monroe is safe? He cannot be sent down because he has no options. If he was the one that was to be axed out of a spot at the MLB level, they would just release him and the spot on the 40man would be open. I could be completely wrong...


DK says "bank" on Cruz being the guy to go. NH's comments seem to bolster the notion that Young can be a back-up at 2b.

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1:23 p.m.: Here is Neal Huntington's statement on the trade, off the official press release: "Delwyn Young is a young switch-hitter with some defensive versatility who will give John Russell another weapon off the bench. Delwyn's strength is his bat but, with defensive improvements, he has the ability to expand his role. We are pleased to add Delwyn to our major league team."


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