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 Post subject: Re: Neal and Bob - reasonable expenditure to improve team
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:36 am 
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They are not going to get a catcher this offseason. We are going to have to accept that.

Hopefully they will at least get an outfielder and a lefty reliever. There should be some bargains. You know how Neal loves those.


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Susac just got DFA'd by the Brewers..... 8-) 8-)


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 Post subject: Re: Neal and Bob - reasonable expenditure to improve team
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That Reese Mcguire trade might go down to be NH's dumbest move, and the Pirate's cheapest.

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 Post subject: Re: Neal and Bob - reasonable expenditure to improve team
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Ryann wrote:
That Reese Mcguire trade might go down to be NH's dumbest move, and the Pirate's cheapest.


Not really the cheapest since he was moved to free them of Lirianos contract and then turned around and spent that money.

Also, it’s only dumb if McGuire turns out to be a starter in the league. Right now at most he’s a backup if he makes it at all.


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 Post subject: Re: Neal and Bob - reasonable expenditure to improve team
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Bucfan wrote:
Yeah, well, so much for part 1. Diamondbacks signed Avila to 2 years, $16 million - basically what I thought he was going to get and be a damn bargain at the price.

https://www.azsnakepit.com/2018/1/30/16 ... alex-avila

Hey, no worries. Pirates still have $21 million in payroll savings left and will improve the team ASAFP.

Or not.



You think what you reported was a bargin, Ken Rosenthal just reported 2 years 8.25 million

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Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic confirms that free agent catcher Alex Avila has agreed to a two-year, $8.25 million contract with the Diamondbacks.

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 Post subject: Re: Neal and Bob - reasonable expenditure to improve team
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That puts him right in the middle of the pack of catchers.


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 Post subject: Re: Neal and Bob - reasonable expenditure to improve team
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Wow- the Nats just got Miguel Montero on a MINOR LEAGUE deal. I would have thought he would have merited a major league contract, even after his blow up with the Cubs last summer. Hmmmm...another opportunity to improve passes by?


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MLB Trade Rumors

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Melky Cabrera has drawn some interest from the Marlins, Royals, and Pirates. There hasn’t been much news on the veteran outfielder this winter, with only the Orioles (also mentioned here by Heyman) previously reported to have discussed Cabrera’s services.


https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/02/ ... hisox.html


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 Post subject: Re: Neal and Bob - reasonable expenditure to improve team
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doug frobel wrote:
Wow- the Nats just got Miguel Montero on a MINOR LEAGUE deal. I would have thought he would have merited a major league contract, even after his blow up with the Cubs last summer. Hmmmm...another opportunity to improve passes by?



That .489 OPS in Toronto probably did not help his chances of landing a Major League deal.

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 Post subject: Re: Neal and Bob - reasonable expenditure to improve team
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rellimie wrote:
Ryann wrote:
That Reese Mcguire trade might go down to be NH's dumbest move, and the Pirate's cheapest.


Not really the cheapest since he was moved to free them of Lirianos contract and then turned around and spent that money.

Also, it’s only dumb if McGuire turns out to be a starter in the league. Right now at most he’s a backup if he makes it at all.


You can not assume that money saved was reinvested into the team. I think Mcguire would be our best backup catcher right now, and that certainly has value.

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I wonder if there's any chance Jacob Stallings can sustain his hitting prowess over the next few years? Is he passable defensively? I don't care if he has no slugging ability. Just get walks and singles and move the line along. Turn the order over.


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doug frobel wrote:
I wonder if there's any chance Jacob Stallings can sustain his hitting prowess over the next few years? Is he passable defensively? I don't care if he has no slugging ability. Just get walks and singles and move the line along. Turn the order over.


I think Stallings is ok hitting and fielding. He seems to have the ability to get the bat on the ball, and he's a big kid so he should drive it occasionally. I don't think there's much of a step down from Diaz to him.


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 Post subject: Re: Neal and Bob - reasonable expenditure to improve team
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Ryann wrote:
rellimie wrote:
Ryann wrote:
That Reese Mcguire trade might go down to be NH's dumbest move, and the Pirate's cheapest.


Not really the cheapest since he was moved to free them of Lirianos contract and then turned around and spent that money.

Also, it’s only dumb if McGuire turns out to be a starter in the league. Right now at most he’s a backup if he makes it at all.


You can not assume that money saved was reinvested into the team. I think Mcguire would be our best backup catcher right now, and that certainly has value.


I don't have to assume. The signing of Nova and Hudson is fact.

I disagree as McGuire isn't a major league player.


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 Post subject: Re: Neal and Bob - reasonable expenditure to improve team
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The money to sign those players could have very well come out of Nutting's huge yearly profits. Not from savings due to the Liriano trade ;)

Mcguire > Hutchison ... Thank goodness you aren't the gm :lol:

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Ryann wrote:
The money to sign those players could have very well come out of Nutting's huge yearly profits. Not from savings due to the Liriano trade ;)

Mcguire > Hutchison ... Thank goodness you aren't the gm :lol:


I never said McGuire wasn't better than Hutchinson....that isn't why McGuire was traded, he was traded so Toronto would take Liriano's salary.

It doesn't change the fact that neither McGuire nor Hutchinson are major league players and that the money saved on that contract by trading Reese was spent on 2 major league players.


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 Post subject: Re: Neal and Bob - reasonable expenditure to improve team
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If the Pirates thought that McGuire would be a quality player, they'd have never given him away.


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TBayXXXVII wrote:
If the Pirates thought that McGuire would be a quality player, they'd have never given him away.


You're assuming a lot with this organization.

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IA Pirate wrote:
TBayXXXVII wrote:
If the Pirates thought that McGuire would be a quality player, they'd have never given him away.


You're assuming a lot with this organization.


I don't think so. They're extremely stingy with trading their prospects. Very stingy. Plus, apparently MLB Pipeline agrees too, since they rank McGuire as the Blue Jays 21st ranked prospect. McGuire looks like just another bust 1st round pick made by Huntington, which is a pretty substantial list...
Alvarez
Black
Sanchez
Barnes
Appel
McGuire

Only 2 hits... and that's assuming Taillon does develop, since 2008. Meadows isn't looking all that promising either. Neither is Joe. That's a LOT of misses.


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TBayXXXVII wrote:
IA Pirate wrote:
TBayXXXVII wrote:
If the Pirates thought that McGuire would be a quality player, they'd have never given him away.


You're assuming a lot with this organization.


I don't think so. They're extremely stingy with trading their prospects. Very stingy. Plus, apparently MLB Pipeline agrees too, since they rank McGuire as the Blue Jays 21st ranked prospect. McGuire looks like just another bust 1st round pick made by Huntington, which is a pretty substantial list...
Alvarez
Black
Sanchez
Barnes
Appel
McGuire

Only 2 hits... and that's assuming Taillon does develop, since 2008. Meadows isn't looking all that promising either. Neither is Joe. That's a LOT of misses.


The jury is out on Cole Tucker, too. Wasn't he a first round pick?


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What jury is out on Cole Tucker at this point? Was he supposed to hit the majors by 20 or something?


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