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 Post subject: Cutch
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Sorry, this needs a thread to its own.

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 Post subject: Re: Cutch
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What a stand up guy. The face of the Pirates. Traded for next to nothing, all in the name of saving Bob Nutting more millions.

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 Post subject: Re: Cutch
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Thanks for posting that

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 Post subject: Re: Cutch
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After reading this, I'm even more upset about trading him. This dude loves Pittsburgh as much as Pittsburgh loves him.


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 Post subject: Re: Cutch
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I’m not. Sentimentality needs to be kept out of this. He is on the wrong side of 30 and the wronging side of his career. Diminishing skills.

2 guys they got back > compensation pick between rounds 1 and 2.


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 Post subject: Re: Cutch
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rellimie wrote:
I’m not. Sentimentality needs to be kept out of this. He is on the wrong side of 30 and the wronging side of his career. Diminishing skills.



Yeah! Because everyone knows that the Pirates are totally concerned about not putting a shitty product on the field.

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 Post subject: Re: Cutch
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2 guys they got back > compensation pick between rounds 1 and 2.


Lets check my score card. The Pirates sent possibly the best 2/3 rotation spot pitcher in the league. Along with a guy who led his team in Hits, HR's and was a close 2nd in RBI's, along with 2.5 million dollars for 5 guys not in the top 100 prospects list in both BP and BA.

I'll think it over.........

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 Post subject: Re: Cutch
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rellimie wrote:
I’m not. Sentimentality needs to be kept out of this. He is on the wrong side of 30 and the wronging side of his career. Diminishing skills.

2 guys they got back > compensation pick between rounds 1 and 2.


How much do the Pirates pay you to post on this forum?

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 Post subject: Re: Cutch
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Ryann wrote:
rellimie wrote:
I’m not. Sentimentality needs to be kept out of this. He is on the wrong side of 30 and the wronging side of his career. Diminishing skills.

2 guys they got back > compensation pick between rounds 1 and 2.


How much do the Pirates pay you to post on this forum?


I wish someone would pay me to follow the Pirates.

They werne’t going to win with Cutch.

Even if they increased payroll I would still be for trading away an aging outfielder with diminishing skills rather than getting a compensation pick.

Pirates fans are just butthurt that their favorite player wasn’t worth what they thought he was. MLB GM’s do not value sentimentality to fans, nor should they.


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 Post subject: Re: Cutch
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Yeah but I wish they would have kept him. He is obviously a special case, not just any aging outfielder.

The free agent bubble has burst, and given next year's class, he might find that demand for his services is very light next offseason.


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 Post subject: Re: Cutch
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rellimie wrote:
Ryann wrote:
rellimie wrote:
I’m not. Sentimentality needs to be kept out of this. He is on the wrong side of 30 and the wronging side of his career. Diminishing skills.

2 guys they got back > compensation pick between rounds 1 and 2.


How much do the Pirates pay you to post on this forum?


I wish someone would pay me to follow the Pirates.

They werne’t going to win with Cutch.

Even if they increased payroll I would still be for trading away an aging outfielder with diminishing skills rather than getting a compensation pick.

Pirates fans are just butthurt that their favorite player wasn’t worth what they thought he was. MLB GM’s do not value sentimentality to fans, nor should they.


You didn't think Cutch helped this team win games? He was our best hitter last season. Call him an aging outfielder with diminishing skills if you'd like but he was our best freaking player last year.

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 Post subject: Re: Cutch
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Ryann wrote:
You didn't think Cutch helped this team win games? He was our best hitter last season. Call him an aging outfielder with diminishing skills if you'd like but he was our best freaking player last year.


I never said that. He was the best player on a losing team. Keeping him would do nothing this season as he would still be the best player on a losing team. At least this way they get more back for him than just letting him walk at the end of a losing year.

Ideally if they spent the money they would replace him with a better player.


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 Post subject: Re: Cutch
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rellimie wrote:
Ideally if they spent the money they would replace him with a better player.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Cutch
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IA Pirate wrote:
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Ideally if they spent the money they would replace him with a better player.


:lol: :lol: :lol:


I know, spending money is funny


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 Post subject: Re: Cutch
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Thanks for posting that, IA.

Cutch is a class act. Hurst to lose someone like him. It sucks that this is the nature of the business.

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 Post subject: Re: Cutch
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rellimie wrote:
I’m not. Sentimentality needs to be kept out of this. He is on the wrong side of 30 and the wronging side of his career. Diminishing skills.

2 guys they got back > compensation pick between rounds 1 and 2.

Sometimes there is an exception to be made. This was the case here. I think there is an argument to be made that Cutch would’ve taken less than market value again to stay here. Also, it’s not like he is some scrub that will give you no value in return. And despite what you think, they got crap in return. A relief pitcher who throws it all over the place. Relief pitching was not something we were in dire need of. Oh, and some maybe outfielder.

I said all along they would’ve been better off trading Marte and getting something better in return. But oh well...NH has been a drafting machine so we can replace him with.......Meadows, who Keith Law says may not even turn in to a regular at this point, or....................

I’m sorry you’ve never felt sentimentality towards baseball. What fun it was as a kid to watch Willie Stargell play for my team his whole career. It’s one of many problems baseball has. There is literally no player a kid can buy a jersey of and know that he can wear it for that player’s entire career.


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 Post subject: Re: Cutch
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Cutch is Pittsburgh.

I understand what you're saying rellimie. It's the practical approach. But in Cutch's case, I think I would have rather had a losing Pirate team with Cutch.

Who knows? Maybe the players the Pirates received in exchange for Cutch will all be busts!

At least we knew what kind of player the Pirates had at this point of his career if the Pirates would have kept Cutch.

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 Post subject: Re: Cutch
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PirateParrot wrote:
rellimie wrote:
I’m not. Sentimentality needs to be kept out of this. He is on the wrong side of 30 and the wronging side of his career. Diminishing skills.

2 guys they got back > compensation pick between rounds 1 and 2.

Sometimes there is an exception to be made. This was the case here. I think there is an argument to be made that Cutch would’ve taken less than market value again to stay here. Also, it’s not like he is some scrub that will give you no value in return. And despite what you think, they got crap in return. A relief pitcher who throws it all over the place. Relief pitching was not something we were in dire need of. Oh, and some maybe outfielder.

I said all along they would’ve been better off trading Marte and getting something better in return. But oh well...NH has been a drafting machine so we can replace him with.......Meadows, who Keith Law says may not even turn in to a regular at this point, or....................

I’m sorry you’ve never felt sentimentality towards baseball. What fun it was as a kid to watch Willie Stargell play for my team his whole career. It’s one of many problems baseball has. There is literally no player a kid can buy a jersey of and know that he can wear it for that player’s entire career.


You can feel sentimental about a player but still use business and baseball sense. Cutch was a great player. A great guy. But do you really want to to give him a contract that will probably be a bad one just so the fan base feels better? I don't know if they could have gotten more or not. But I get it. He was gone after this year and he should be. He should go get a huge contract one more time because someone will give it to him. The Cardinals, one of the better franchises let Albert Pujols go because they didn't want to give him a bad contract. Same thing here.

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 Post subject: Re: Cutch
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Boy, reading this you'd think the Bucs traded Tony Pena for three nobodies!

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... for 5 guys not in the top 100 prospects list in both BP and BA.

Yeah, but be careful on that theme. Specifically, Musgrove, Feliz and Moran did not qualify as prospects any more due to major league service time.


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