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 Post subject: Re: getting by on the cheap?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:03 pm 
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Ryann wrote:
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Remember when Gerrit Cole asked for a modest raise after his CY young caliber season?
Keeping your best players happy should be a goal, especially when they are coming off an amazing season.

Pirates are cheap, and the organization is a disgrace.

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With the way he pitched after that I'm glad they didn't give it to him.


You're glad they didn't give up that extra 150,000 dollars to him? Because he went from a 4.5 WAR pitcher to a 1.6 and 2.8 the following seasons? Maybe his performance dipped because of how badly the organization treated him.

I bet Cole returns to a form similar if not better than 2015 now that he is out of Pittsburgh.


I'm glad they didn't because he's an asshole.

I think he is what he is and his numbers will be worse in the AL.


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 Post subject: Re: getting by on the cheap?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:02 pm 
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PirateParrot wrote:
After winning 98 games and not having a ton of turnover almost any team should expect to compete. It wasn’t like 1992 when everyone knew the last group of great players was gone. If they keep Happ and add a pitcher they are right back in the division and wild card hunt. As many have pointed out here, if Cutch and Cole don’t underperform(for at least part of the year) they would’ve been close to contention.

If you approach 2016 that way then that changes the outlook for 2017 and 2018. Not saying they would’ve made playoffs all these years, just suggesting that the window of opportunity should’ve remained open with the proper commitment from management.


BUT. THEY. DID. REGRESS.

If you want to argue that keeping Happ and Walker adds say... 5 wins, have at it. If you then want to say that somehow, magically, Cole and Cutch would perform at the same level as they did in 2015 you're crazy. We don't know that.

What we DO know is that they, among others, regressed (or got injured), and it cost the team portions of those 20 wins.

The window was open. Management was pretty committed. As is wont to happen, circumstance closed the window.

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Management was pretty committed.

Really??? They started the season with Larry, Moe, and Curly as 3/5 of the starting rotation. Sorry, but that doesn’t qualify as any kind of committed.


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Larry, Moe, and Curly as 3/5 of the starting rotation.



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 Post subject: Re: getting by on the cheap?
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PirateParrot wrote:
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Management was pretty committed.

Really??? They started the season with Larry, Moe, and Curly as 3/5 of the starting rotation. Sorry, but that doesn’t qualify as any kind of committed.


Other than Happ, who were they supposed to bring onboard to prove their 'commitment'?

A.J.'s retirement and Cole's regression killed the rotation as much as anything.

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 Post subject: Re: getting by on the cheap?
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NSMaster56 wrote:
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Management was pretty committed.

Really??? They started the season with Larry, Moe, and Curly as 3/5 of the starting rotation. Sorry, but that doesn’t qualify as any kind of committed.


Other than Happ, who were they supposed to bring onboard to prove their 'commitment'?

A.J.'s retirement and Cole's regression killed the rotation as much as anything.


Don’t forget Liriano


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PirateParrot wrote:
Really??? They started the season with Larry, Moe, and Curly as 3/5 of the starting rotation.

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Searage working with 3/5 of Pirates rotation.


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Bucfan wrote:
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Really??? They started the season with Larry, Moe, and Curly as 3/5 of the starting rotation.

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Searage working with 3/5 of Pirates rotation.

Haha...maybe if he’d have used that approach more with Niese we would’ve got something out of him!


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 Post subject: Re: getting by on the cheap?
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rellimie wrote:
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PirateParrot wrote:
Really??? They started the season with Larry, Moe, and Curly as 3/5 of the starting rotation. Sorry, but that doesn’t qualify as any kind of committed.


Other than Happ, who were they supposed to bring onboard to prove their 'commitment'?

A.J.'s retirement and Cole's regression killed the rotation as much as anything.


Don’t forget Liriano


I did until you reminded me! Now I feel worse. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: getting by on the cheap?
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NSMaster56 wrote:

I did until you reminded me! Now I feel worse. :lol:


I've said it for a long time....Cole stays healthy, Liriano remembers how to pitch, and Cutch remembers that the season starts in April not June then they probably win 5 to 10 more games without doing anything else and had a chance to make the playoffs.

Also, if they were performing better that year they may have made a move like they had the previous few years at the deadline.

That was really a tough year all around.


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