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 Post subject: Goldstein from BP says...
PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:20 pm 
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This team is going to be a dangerous one offensively in the next two or three years, and players like McCutchen are giving Pirates fans something they haven't had for years—a glimmer of hope.


http://www.baseballprospectus.com/artic ... cleid=8681

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 Post subject: Re: Goldstein from BP says...
PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:49 am 
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bucco boy wrote:
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This team is going to be a dangerous one offensively in the next two or three years, and players like McCutchen are giving Pirates fans something they haven't had for years—a glimmer of hope.


http://www.baseballprospectus.com/artic ... cleid=8681


Im afraid it is going to be the same old story. We get the good hitters through our minor league system and we can't get any good pitching. And god knows we wont go and trade for any.


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 Post subject: Re: Goldstein from BP says...
PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:37 am 
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Colin21 wrote:
. And god knows we wont go and trade for any.


Perhaps you missed the Bay and Nady trades last summer where no fewer than 6 pitchers were acquired?

You are never going to be able to trade for a #1 starter. Top pitching is the holy grail of baseball.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:27 am 
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While I share your caution about our future, it is nice to see that those outside the Pirate fandom are begining to get more positive as time goes on.

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 Post subject: Re: Goldstein from BP says...
PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:45 pm 
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You are never going to be able to trade for a #1 starter.

Contending teams will always be able to trade for a top of the rotation starter. The problem is that those starters require insane compensation (Matt Laporta) and are soon to be free agents (C.C. Sabathia) who rarely sign with the team (Milwaukee) that acquires them. The only consolation for the acquiring team is the use of that starter for a couple of months and the compensatory draft picks.

Is it worth the gamble? I guess it depends on who you ask.


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Rotten_Scoundrel wrote:
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You are never going to be able to trade for a #1 starter.

Contending teams will always be able to trade for a top of the rotation starter. The problem is that those starters require insane compensation (Matt Laporta) and are soon to be free agents (C.C. Sabathia) who rarely sign with the team (Milwaukee) that acquires them. The only consolation for the acquiring team is the use of that starter for a couple of months and the compensatory draft picks.

Is it worth the gamble? I guess it depends on who you ask.

It also depends on who the pitcher is and who comprises the compensation.

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Rotten_Scoundrel wrote:
BBF wrote:
You are never going to be able to trade for a #1 starter.

Contending teams will always be able to trade for a top of the rotation starter. The problem is that those starters require insane compensation (Matt Laporta) and are soon to be free agents (C.C. Sabathia) who rarely sign with the team (Milwaukee) that acquires them. The only consolation for the acquiring team is the use of that starter for a couple of months and the compensatory draft picks.

Is it worth the gamble? I guess it depends on who you ask.


I think that was a bad move on the Brewers part. Also i agree with what the Pirates did in the Nady/Marte trade but i don't like what we got out of the Bay trade.


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You will when you see a healthy Andy LaRoche and Bryan Morris..


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