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 Post subject: Pedro Alvarez To AAA
PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:07 pm 
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http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseba ... ster-spot/

That Huntington is a(n) __________ for letting him go!

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 Post subject: Re: Pedro Alvarez To AAA
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http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/orioles-pedro-alvarez-fails-to-land-roster-spot/

That Huntington is a(n) __________ for letting him go!


Was there anyone wanting him to stay?

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 Post subject: Re: Pedro Alvarez To AAA
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IA Pirate wrote:
nad69dan wrote:
http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/orioles-pedro-alvarez-fails-to-land-roster-spot/

That Huntington is a(n) __________ for letting him go!


Was there anyone wanting him to stay?


No. I think the point is that even though no one wanted him, NH took some heat from the arm chair GM's about non-tendering him instead of trading him.


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 Post subject: Re: Pedro Alvarez To AAA
PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 5:48 pm 
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Pedro is a hack and a one trick pony. He's not proved me wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: Pedro Alvarez To AAA
PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:47 pm 
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Never understood the animosity toward El Toro.

The Pirates were mostly a winning ball club when he was on the roster and the team's lack of pennants when he played here was not directly caused by anything Pedro did or did not do.

Sure, he didn't develop into a star in relation to where he was drafted, but Pedro didn't do any singular thing to draw contempt. He simply struck out a lot and then couldn't field his last two years. During 'The Streak' there were at least a dozen other guys with comparable deficiencies... so it's not as if Pedro is a snowflake in infamy either.

Compared to someone like Barry, who couldn't throw out Sid !@#$%^& Bream, there is no goat moment for 'Dro. Hell, even Randall Simon is more memorable for hitting the Miller Park Bratwurst.

So you might say that shitting on "The Bull" is a bunch of... bullshit.

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 Post subject: Re: Pedro Alvarez To AAA
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Pedro was good only at one thing. Hitting the long ball. He couldn't play defense and he usually struck out. I was just afraid he would go elsewhere and shine and become an all star player. Pirates had to bench him a few years ago because he had become such a liability on defense. And that was a playoff season.


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 Post subject: Re: Pedro Alvarez To AAA
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NSMaster56 wrote:
Pedro didn't do any singular thing to draw contempt.


Short memory...

Remember when he was drafted? Remember when he agreed to a record $6 million minor league contract? Remember when he didn't sign it and then dropped off the face of the Earth? Remember Boras showed up to "re-negotiate" the contract well into September?

He started out on a very bad note and never lived up to the ridiculous amount of money Scott Boras pocketed. In my mind, his one singular thing was the above dishonest farce of trying to get him signed to a contract he didn't deserve.


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 Post subject: Re: Pedro Alvarez To AAA
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Charleston_Charlies wrote:
NSMaster56 wrote:
Pedro didn't do any singular thing to draw contempt.


Short memory...

Remember when he was drafted? Remember when he agreed to a record $6 million minor league contract? Remember when he didn't sign it and then dropped off the face of the Earth? Remember Boras showed up to "re-negotiate" the contract well into September?

He started out on a very bad note and never lived up to the ridiculous amount of money Scott Boras pocketed. In my mind, his one singular thing was the above dishonest farce of trying to get him signed to a contract he didn't deserve.


Hmm. Touche. Isn't that EVERY Boras client though?

Pedro was definitely a disappointment. He wasn't a total zero though (negative WAR season exluded! :lol: ).

Perhaps this is overanalyzing things (as I am wont to do), but this feels like another case of Pittsburgh's spurned lovers syndrome. Every player who doesn't turn into Pops/Mario/Franco... is graded unfairly and then derided once they leave (if not railroaded into leaving). This is even starting to happen with Cutch, who WAS this franchise for half a decade.

It's like PIT fans want to stop loving the ones they know they will lose before they can be hurt by them [deteriorating in skill and/or leaving].

The only guy who has been immune to this over the last 20-ish years was Hines Ward. Troy was more of an 'old dog' situation, where fans chose to remember his apex than his sudden decline... so maybe he qualifies, too? Even Jagr is a bad word in some circles in PIT.

It's just weird.

(This is made doubly weird when cult heroes such as Manny Sanguillen, Aaron Smith, and Heath Miller---who WERE tremendous players in their own right---remain beloved in PIT. PIT fan's love is terribly inconsistent. In some ways it isn't dissimilar to a BOS or NY.)

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 Post subject: Re: Pedro Alvarez To AAA
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Charleston_Charlies wrote:
NSMaster56 wrote:
Pedro didn't do any singular thing to draw contempt.


Short memory...

Remember when he was drafted? Remember when he agreed to a record $6 million minor league contract? Remember when he didn't sign it and then dropped off the face of the Earth? Remember Boras showed up to "re-negotiate" the contract well into September?

He started out on a very bad note and never lived up to the ridiculous amount of money Scott Boras pocketed. In my mind, his one singular thing was the above dishonest farce of trying to get him signed to a contract he didn't deserve.


Remember how pretty much EVERY Bucs fan said if they don't draft Pedro then it's the same old cheap Pirates?

Most "Prospects" don't live up to the prediction.


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 Post subject: Re: Pedro Alvarez To AAA
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NSMaster56 wrote:
The Pirates were mostly a winning ball club when he was on the roster and the team's lack of pennants when he played here was not directly caused by anything Pedro did or did not do.

No dispute here.

Do we forget that Alvarez constituted almost the entire offense against St. Louis in the divisional series in 2013??


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 Post subject: Re: Pedro Alvarez To AAA
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yeah, and so... what...

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 Post subject: Re: Pedro Alvarez To AAA
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ZelieMike wrote:
yeah, and so... what...

Point: The harsh criticism of Alvarez is unmerited. He actually PERFORMED in the playoffs for the Pirates.

Unlike Neil Walker, and Josh Harrison, and Starling Marte, and - well, it's true - Andrew McCutchen.

The guys who should have led the Buccos in the biggest games combined for nothing. NOTHING. The guy ragged on mercilessly by a lot of Pirates fans hammered the opposition.

FACT.


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 Post subject: Re: Pedro Alvarez To AAA
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Got it. He had a good series.

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 Post subject: Re: Pedro Alvarez To AAA
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Bucfan wrote:
ZelieMike wrote:
yeah, and so... what...

Point: The harsh criticism of Alvarez is unmerited. He actually PERFORMED in the playoffs for the Pirates.

Unlike Neil Walker, and Josh Harrison, and Starling Marte, and - well, it's true - Andrew McCutchen.

The guys who should have led the Buccos in the biggest games combined for nothing. NOTHING. The guy ragged on mercilessly by a lot of Pirates fans hammered the opposition.

FACT.


Andrew McCutchen in the playoffs: .321/.441/.357 for an OPS of .798

Are those outstanding numbers? not really. But in a sample size of 28 at bats, you can't say he wasn't performing.


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 Post subject: Re: Pedro Alvarez To AAA
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TheTimeIsNow wrote:
Bucfan wrote:
ZelieMike wrote:
yeah, and so... what...

Point: The harsh criticism of Alvarez is unmerited. He actually PERFORMED in the playoffs for the Pirates.

Unlike Neil Walker, and Josh Harrison, and Starling Marte, and - well, it's true - Andrew McCutchen.

The guys who should have led the Buccos in the biggest games combined for nothing. NOTHING. The guy ragged on mercilessly by a lot of Pirates fans hammered the opposition.

FACT.


Andrew McCutchen is the playoffs: .321/.441/.357 for an OPS of .798

Are those outstanding numbers? not really. But in a sample size of 28 games, you can't say he wasn't performing.


Andrew McCutchen has played 28 playoff games? I think 8 is more like it. Otherwise, I'm pissed. The Bucs have played a lot of playoff games that I have missed!


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 Post subject: Re: Pedro Alvarez To AAA
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doug frobel wrote:
TheTimeIsNow wrote:

Andrew McCutchen in the playoffs: .321/.441/.357 for an OPS of .798

Are those outstanding numbers? not really. But in a sample size of 28 games, you can't say he wasn't performing.


Andrew McCutchen has played 28 playoff games? I think 8 is more like it. Otherwise, I'm pissed. The Bucs have played a lot of playoff games that I have missed!


lol meant to say 28 at bats. It sure would be nice if he would have played in 28 playoff games up to this point.


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 Post subject: Re: Pedro Alvarez To AAA
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TheTimeIsNow wrote:

Andrew McCutchen in the playoffs: .321/.441/.357 for an OPS of .798

Are those outstanding numbers? not really. But in a sample size of 28 at bats, you can't say he wasn't performing.


Also, people like to say, "Well he has 0 postseason RBI."

He only has 5 plate appearances with RISP and in those he has a .933 OPS. It's not his fault guys couldn't get on base in front of him more.


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 Post subject: Re: Pedro Alvarez To AAA
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With Freddie Freeman out eight weeks with a broken wrist...


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 Post subject: Re: Pedro Alvarez To AAA
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"Free Agent"???

Isn't Pedro part of the Orioles AAA affiliate?

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 Post subject: Re: Pedro Alvarez To AAA
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He probably has one of those contracts that says if he is not in the majors by a certain date he can become a free agent.


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