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 Post subject: Should our prospects reach their potential ...
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:34 am 
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I'm certain that Neal Huntington isn't finished tweaking this roster but let's assume, barring any major acquisitions via trade or free agency, that the major players are in place. Brad Lincoln and Bryan Morris are completely healthy, Neil Walker and Shelby Ford are effective in new positions and our young players continue to develop.

Your 2011 Pittsburgh Pirates ....

1) Andrew McCutchen (CF)
2) Jose Tabata (RF)
3) Nate McLouth (LF)
4) Pedro Alvarez (1B)
5) Ryan Doumit (C)
6) Andy LaRoche (3B)
7) Neil Walker (2B)
8) Shelby Ford (SS)

Paul Maholm (SP)
Brad Lincoln (SP)
Bryan Morris (SP)
Ian Snell (SP)
Dan McCutchen (SP)

Jeff Karstens (RP)
Zach Duke (RP)
Craig Hansen (RP)
Ross Ohlendorf (RP)
Jeff Sues (RP)
Donnie Veal (RP)
Evan Meek (CP)

I can't even venture a guess as to what the bench will look like but I'm liking the overall youth movement.


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 Post subject: Re: Should our prospects reach their potential ...
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:05 am 
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If things go the way I see it and there are no major injuries, I would agree with most of your starting position players.
I'm not sold on Shelby Ford yet, and think that there is a strong possibility that Walker or Andy LaRoache will be traded.

Of course this all depends on continuing development of these kids.

Pitching is not as certain. Stuff happens and to the Pirates it happens more regularly. Wouldn't want to predict them but I do believe that we will show youth there too.

Maybe some hope and still some youth to be heard from as well as this year's draft.

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 Post subject: Re: Should our prospects reach their potential ...
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The starting rotation is amazingly pitiful. There needs to be some free agents or trades. Looking at this season's rotation and it makes me believe 100 losses is right around the corner...

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 Post subject: Re: Should our prospects reach their potential ...
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Rotten_Scoundrel wrote:
I'm certain that Neal Huntington isn't finished tweaking this roster but let's assume, barring any major acquisitions via trade or free agency, that the major players are in place. Brad Lincoln and Bryan Morris are completely healthy, Neil Walker and Shelby Ford are effective in new positions and our young players continue to develop.

Your 2011 Pittsburgh Pirates ....

1) Andrew McCutchen (CF)
2) Jose Tabata (RF)
3) Nate McLouth (LF)
4) Pedro Alvarez (1B)
5) Ryan Doumit (C)
6) Andy LaRoche (3B)
7) Neil Walker (2B)
8) Shelby Ford (SS)

Paul Maholm (SP)
Brad Lincoln (SP)
Bryan Morris (SP)
Ian Snell (SP)
Dan McCutchen (SP)

Jeff Karstens (RP)
Zach Duke (RP)
Craig Hansen (RP)
Ross Ohlendorf (RP)
Jeff Sues (RP)
Donnie Veal (RP)
Evan Meek (CP)

I can't even venture a guess as to what the bench will look like but I'm liking the overall youth movement.

Shelby Ford is no shortstop from what I have seen. Admittedly, I haven't seen much of him, but I don't think that there is any chance at all of him playing shortstop, even at the AAA level. If he had the tools to play there, he'd have been moved to short long ago, given the fact that the Pirates have no SS prospects in the system.

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 Post subject: Re: Should our prospects reach their potential ...
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:57 am 
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sisyphus wrote:
Shelby Ford is no shortstop from what I have seen. Admittedly, I haven't seen much of him, but I don't think that there is any chance at all of him playing shortstop, even at the AAA level. If he had the tools to play there, he'd have been moved to short long ago, given the fact that the Pirates have no SS prospects in the system.


Was going to point out the same thing. I have heard nothing about Ford playing short. Perhaps Brian Friday fits there, though he has a lot to prove still. Will be interesting to see how fast Mercer and D'Arnaud move through the system, since they were college guys.


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 Post subject: Re: Should our prospects reach their potential ...
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i do like the line up, there COULD be much fun starting already this year (do not expect wins, but fun to watch), and surely when 2011 comes it COULD get magical again.. the starting pitchers give me some questions, but there is always the hope some nice trades could be made (LaRoche, Freddy & even Jack) for pitching..

But i wonder about a few other youngster who caught my attention in last years draft and minors, from who i am wondering how they are doing and what u guys think of them in the near and far future... here we go:

OF Robbie Grossman (i did like the things i saw on youtube)

3B Matt Hague

3B Jimmy Negrych

LF Eric Fryer ( west virginia power)

and then a region where i do not know how important those classes are (dominican, gulf coast & venezualian)
and if there is coming talent from those leagues:

P Eliecer Navarro (Dominican)
3B Jarek Cunningham

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 Post subject: Re: Should our prospects reach their potential ...
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Before Cunningham got hurt, I believe the talk was about moving him to 2nd base this year...

I find it hard to believe that this team has no real SS anywhere in the organization outside of A ball, it seems like Littlefield was banking on either Jack being a Pirate the rest of his career or Bixler was the next Jay Bell...

Maybe a trade this summer will bring in a SS ready to go...though if we'd bring Jack back at a lower salary next season I wouldn't be too upset either...

Right now, the hole at SS and some more pitching is what the organization is lacking...

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 Post subject: Re: Should our prospects reach their potential ...
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The reason I put Ford on the list is obvious, there's nobody waiting in the wings. Ford has as much or more upside as any infield prospect in the organization. Also, scouts once claimed that Jack Wilson didn't have the range of a ML shortstop. Freddie Sanchez was deemed to be a much better SS prospect. We know what happened there, lol.

Brad Lincoln was drafted as a top of the rotation starter, a higher rated prospect than Tim Lincecum. Unfortunately, Lincoln was overused at the University if Houston, subsequently having Tommy John surgery. I saw him pitch last season, his recovery is on schedule.

Bryan Morris is also considered a top of the rotation starter. He, not Andy LaRoche, is the key piece in the Jason Bay trade.

Dan McCutchen is the one player that the Yankees didn't want to give up. The guy's an innings eater with solid pitches and good command of his pitches.

We all know that Maholm and Snell are capable starting pitchers.

The bullpen is loaded with power arms capable of missing plenty of bats.

With a little luck and continued development of our younger players this lineup isn't too far-fetched.


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 Post subject: Re: Should our prospects reach their potential ...
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October 2012 Pirates win the World Series
December 22 2012 World Ends

...isn't it ironic?


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 Post subject: Re: Should our prospects reach their potential ...
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cappscrew138 wrote:
October 2012 Pirates win the World Series
December 22 2012 World Ends

...isn't it ironic?


It'll be a great way to go if the Steelers are winning and Malkin and Crosby are still with the Pens

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 Post subject: Re: Should our prospects reach their potential ...
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Great lineup but there is no improvment in the rotation and it looks to me as if the bullpen will get worse.We need to start drafting pitchers again.A road that has been far overtraveled.


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 Post subject: Re: Should our prospects reach their potential ...
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cappscrew138 wrote:
October 2012 Pirates win the World Series
December 22 2012 World Ends

...isn't it ironic?

Given the way things have gone for the Pirates, I think it would go more like this:

October 5, 2012, 11:00 PM: Pirates win 8-0 to take a three games to none lead in the World Series.

October 6, 2012, 11:36 AM: World ends.

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 Post subject: Re: Should our prospects reach their potential ...
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That 2011 lineup will include Dustin Ackley/Grant Green/Alex White.

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sisyphus wrote:
Given the way things have gone for the Pirates, I think it would go more like this:

October 5, 2012, 11:00 PM: Pirates win 8-0 to take a three games to none lead in the World Series.

October 6, 2012, 11:36 AM: World ends.


I could live with that sisyphus.....um......you know what I mean.... :shock: :lol:

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omgardd wrote:
That 2011 lineup will include Dustin Ackley/Grant Green/Alex White.


I heard we're working out a deal with Washington as well, better add Strasburg.


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 Post subject: Re: Should our prospects reach their potential ...
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Argentum wrote:
omgardd wrote:
That 2011 lineup will include Dustin Ackley/Grant Green/Alex White.


I heard we're working out a deal with Washington as well, better add Strasburg.

Wow. Wouldn't it be nice? ;)


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