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 Post subject: August 29, 2014 Reds (65-69) at Pirates (69-64)
PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 5:57 pm 
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1. Harrison 3B
2. Tabata RF
3. McCutchen CF
4. Walker 2B
5. Martin C
6. Davis 1B
7. Marte LF
8. Mercer SS
9. Vólquez P

Pitcher: Edison Vólquez (11-7) 3.56 ERA 103 K's 55 BB's



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1. Hamilton CF
2. Frazier 1B
3. Phillips 2B
4. Mesoraco C
5. Bruce RF
6. Negron 3B
7. Schumaker LF
8. Cozart SS
9. Leake P

Pitcher: Mike Leake (10-11) 3.51 ERA 140 K's 42 BB's

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 Post subject: Re: August 29, 2014 Reds (65-69) at Pirates (69-64)
PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:54 pm 
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Mike Leake looks different than I remember. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: August 29, 2014 Reds (65-69) at Pirates (69-64)
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Is it coincidence that Mike Leake seems to always pitch a Friday night at PNC Park on free t shirt night?

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 Post subject: Re: August 29, 2014 Reds (65-69) at Pirates (69-64)
PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:46 pm 
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Harrison with the awesome glove tonight.


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 Post subject: Re: August 29, 2014 Reds (65-69) at Pirates (69-64)
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Phenomenal job by Volquez.

Really unfortunate that he couldn't get some run support and that he may he stuck with a 'loss'.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:19 pm 
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NSMaster56 wrote:
Phenomenal job by Volquez.

Really unfortunate that he couldn't get some run support and that he may he stuck with a 'loss'.


Called it. Get the ball down.


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 Post subject: Re: August 29, 2014 Reds (65-69) at Pirates (69-64)
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With all due respect to Cutch, J-Hay IS the MVP.

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 Post subject: Re: August 29, 2014 Reds (65-69) at Pirates (69-64)
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NSMaster56 wrote:
With all due respect to Cutch, J-Hay IS the MVP.

Been sayin' it for months...Volquez was tremendous tonight, but JHay put this team on his back tonight. Offense and defense...unreal!!!


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 Post subject: Re: August 29, 2014 Reds (65-69) at Pirates (69-64)
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Greg Brown thoroughly enjoyed himself tonight.

What a game!

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 Post subject: Re: August 29, 2014 Reds (65-69) at Pirates (69-64)
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With all due respect to Cutch, J-Hay IS the MVP.

I have him third behind Cutch and Martin. Walker is on his heels and Marte can still catch him, offensivel

Cutch has better hitting number in almost every situation. He's better leading off an inning. He's a better base stealer. He's better with RISP. He's better late in close games. He's better in tie games. He's better when the Pirates are ahead, and when they are behind. He's better in innings 1 through four and in the 8th & 9th. His OPS+ is 164 compared to Harrison's 133. And let's not forget the clubs free fall while Cutch was out of the lineup. Offensively, Cutch is better, and it isn't close at all. So unless you think that Harrison is an Ozzie Smith at all of his positions, while McCutchen is a Pete Incaviglia, Cutch is the MVP by far. Harrison is a great story. Cutch is a great player who might be on his way to the HOF.

A great, great story, though, one that I'm thoroughly enjoying.

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 Post subject: Re: August 29, 2014 Reds (65-69) at Pirates (69-64)
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sisyphus wrote:
NSMaster56 wrote:
With all due respect to Cutch, J-Hay IS the MVP.

I have him third behind Cutch and Martin. Walker is on his heels and Marte can still catch him, offensivel


I don't even care about stats at this point.

When it comes to 'old school' (HR/RBI) stats, Harrison is behind Pedro. He's third on the team in WAR, which is good enough for the conversation.

The deal breaker to me is... who fills in if with no Harrison this year? 47 games at third. 50 in the outfield. 16 at second. Seven at short. With players getting hurt or slumping, I don't see how the Pirates replace what he's done this year.

Obviously without Cutch/Martin this team is hurting for day-to-day production, but it feels like Harrison has been the one keeping this team in playoff contention through everything.

I have no stats to support this.

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 Post subject: Re: August 29, 2014 Reds (65-69) at Pirates (69-64)
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NSMaster56 wrote:
sisyphus wrote:
NSMaster56 wrote:
With all due respect to Cutch, J-Hay IS the MVP.

I have him third behind Cutch and Martin. Walker is on his heels and Marte can still catch him, offensivel


I don't even care about stats at this point.

When it comes to 'old school' (HR/RBI) stats, Harrison is behind Pedro. He's third on the team in WAR, which is good enough for the conversation.

The deal breaker to me is... who fills in if with no Harrison this year? 47 games at third. 50 in the outfield. 16 at second. Seven at short. With players getting hurt or slumping, I don't see how the Pirates replace what he's done this year.

Obviously without Cutch/Martin this team is hurting for day-to-day production, but it feels like Harrison has been the one keeping this team in playoff contention through everything.

I have no stats to support this.

Oh, absolutely, they're dead if Harrison doesn't come through. And with no Cutch, Marte moves to center, which isn't bad. But who replaces him at the plate? Nobody. Not unless the Angels would give us Trout. Same can be said for Martin and, to a lesser extent, Walker and Marte.

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 Post subject: Re: August 29, 2014 Reds (65-69) at Pirates (69-64)
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sisyphus wrote:
Oh, absolutely, they're dead if Harrison doesn't come through. And with no Cutch, Marte moves to center, which isn't bad. But who replaces him at the plate? Nobody. Not unless the Angels would give us Trout. Same can be said for Martin and, to a lesser extent, Walker and Marte.


Marte is an interesting case. I was actually thinking of making a thread about him; specifically his [statistical] consistency.

His stat lines are pretty much identical to last year, and they're very good for what they are.

Obviously there's room for improvement and what not, but it feels like he's underappreciated. He's proving to be a 4+ WAR player, but with the rotation battling injuries, the bullpen imploding, Cutch being Cutch, Martin taking the 'quiet consistent production' headlines and J-Hay stealing the spotlight, Starling isn't even on most fan's radar.

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 Post subject: Re: August 29, 2014 Reds (65-69) at Pirates (69-64)
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NSMaster56 wrote:
sisyphus wrote:
Oh, absolutely, they're dead if Harrison doesn't come through. And with no Cutch, Marte moves to center, which isn't bad. But who replaces him at the plate? Nobody. Not unless the Angels would give us Trout. Same can be said for Martin and, to a lesser extent, Walker and Marte.


Marte is an interesting case. I was actually thinking of making a thread about him; specifically his [statistical] consistency.

His stat lines are pretty much identical to last year, and they're very good for what they are.

Obviously there's room for improvement and what not, but it feels like he's underappreciated. He's proving to be a 4+ WAR player, but with the rotation battling injuries, the bullpen imploding, Cutch being Cutch, Martin taking the 'quiet consistent production' headlines and J-Hay stealing the spotlight, Starling isn't even on most fan's radar.

Marte got off to a bit of a rough start this year, and I've noticed that guys like that tend to get a bit overlooked later in the season. Then there was all of the attention paid to Polanco's callup and great start.

A lot of folks were expecting Marte to decline a bit because of his high BABIP last year, but I think that guys with great speed tend to have a higher BABIP than normal just from all of the infield hits that they can beat out. I like that his walks are up a bit, that's a good sign for the future. He's a bit more efficient at stealing bases. I think there's a big bustout season for him in the near future, where either his power numbers take a nice jump, or maybe he improves his K rate and hits .300. Maybe both.

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 Post subject: Re: August 29, 2014 Reds (65-69) at Pirates (69-64)
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Marte got off to a bit of a rough start this year, and I've noticed that guys like that tend to get a bit overlooked later in the season. Then there was all of the attention paid to Polanco's callup and great start.

A lot of folks were expecting Marte to decline a bit because of his high BABIP last year, but I think that guys with great speed tend to have a higher BABIP than normal just from all of the infield hits that they can beat out. I like that his walks are up a bit, that's a good sign for the future. He's a bit more efficient at stealing bases. I think there's a big bustout season for him in the near future, where either his power numbers take a nice jump, or maybe he improves his K rate and hits .300. Maybe both.

I'm a firm believer that rookie years don't count. There's too much going on. I don't know what to call the second year, maybe the "consolidation" year, but this is the one that shows whether Marte belongs in the majors or not. He does, obviously, and while he doesn't have eye-popping numbers, he seems, in my limited viewing of him, much more relaxed. And I think that has a lot to do with the fact that he's no longer batting leadoff.

As for Josh vs Martin vs Cutch as MVP, it's a nice argument to be able to have. Cutch is clearly the best player on the team, both this season and for the foreseeable future, but MVP is NOT necessarily the best player. Josh is my MVP for the season. Well, through August 30th...


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Jhay with the spark last night. Lambo and Tabata assisting. Brewers and Cardinals lost. Good stuff.


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Edinson Volquez was awesome last night.


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Great pitching (Starters and Bullpen) with sparkling Defense and timely hitting.

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nad69dan wrote:
Is it coincidence that Mike Leake seems to always pitch a Friday night at PNC Park on free t shirt night?


Good one! Took a second for it to sink in.


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Feel like this inning is what separates Liriano this year from Liriano last year. He has an inning where his control just leaves him. 4 pitch walk to Ludwick, grooves a first pitch changeup right down the middle to Heisey.

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