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 Post subject: Re: Russell Martin
PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:46 pm 
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The problem is really that the Pirates have no one capable of replacing Martin's value. That's why he's worth so much to the team. At the very least, the qualifying offer will enable the Pirates to get some value back if he signs elsewhere. I do think a three-year, $40 million deal would have a good chance of keeping him in the fold, particularly if his open market value goes down upon being slapped with a QO.


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 Post subject: Re: Russell Martin
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J_C_Steel wrote:
The problem is really that the Pirates have no one capable of replacing Martin's value. That's why he's worth so much to the team. At the very least, the qualifying offer will enable the Pirates to get some value back if he signs elsewhere. I do think a three-year, $40 million deal would have a good chance of keeping him in the fold, particularly if his open market value goes down upon being slapped with a QO.

Gotta give him the qualifying offer, no doubt about that, even if it costs more than the average value of the contract. Way less risk associated with a single year deal, so you can pay a higher rate.

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Martin
PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:00 pm 
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sisyphus wrote:
J_C_Steel wrote:
The problem is really that the Pirates have no one capable of replacing Martin's value. That's why he's worth so much to the team. At the very least, the qualifying offer will enable the Pirates to get some value back if he signs elsewhere. I do think a three-year, $40 million deal would have a good chance of keeping him in the fold, particularly if his open market value goes down upon being slapped with a QO.

Gotta give him the qualifying offer, no doubt about that, even if it costs more than the average value of the contract. Way less risk associated with a single year deal, so you can pay a higher rate.


Here's an interesting question -- if Liriano rebounds and pitches like an "ace" for the second half, should the Pirates slap a qualifying offer on him as well? Those two guys were a big part of the 2013 team, and the Pirates have an opportunity to either bring them back on one-year deals or gain a supplemental first-round draft pick.


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 Post subject: Re: Russell Martin
PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:33 pm 
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J_C_Steel wrote:
Here's an interesting question -- if Liriano rebounds and pitches like an "ace" for the second half, should the Pirates slap a qualifying offer on him as well? Those two guys were a big part of the 2013 team, and the Pirates have an opportunity to either bring them back on one-year deals or gain a supplemental first-round draft pick.

You know, it was much easier to tell Pirates management what to do back when it was deciding whether to bring in Randall Simon, or just give the at bats to Craig Wilson instead. Seems like nowadays all the decisions are tough ones, and they really do matter.

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Martin
PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:49 pm 
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sisyphus wrote:
J_C_Steel wrote:
Here's an interesting question -- if Liriano rebounds and pitches like an "ace" for the second half, should the Pirates slap a qualifying offer on him as well? Those two guys were a big part of the 2013 team, and the Pirates have an opportunity to either bring them back on one-year deals or gain a supplemental first-round draft pick.

You know, it was much easier to tell Pirates management what to do back when it was deciding whether to bring in Randall Simon, or just give the at bats to Craig Wilson instead. Seems like nowadays all the decisions are tough ones, and they really do matter.


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 Post subject: Re: Russell Martin
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J_C_Steel wrote:
Here's an interesting question -- if Liriano rebounds and pitches like an "ace" for the second half, should the Pirates slap a qualifying offer on him as well? Those two guys were a big part of the 2013 team, and the Pirates have an opportunity to either bring them back on one-year deals or gain a supplemental first-round draft pick.


Any expectation on what the QO would be?

Liriano is someone who is more problematic than Martin due to an erratic history (on/off performance). Thusly, anything more than a two/three year deal, especially at his age, seems far riskier than retaining Martin.

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Martin
PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:53 pm 
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J_C_Steel wrote:
The problem is really that the Pirates have no one capable of replacing Martin's value. That's why he's worth so much to the team. At the very least, the qualifying offer will enable the Pirates to get some value back if he signs elsewhere. I do think a three-year, $40 million deal would have a good chance of keeping him in the fold, particularly if his open market value goes down upon being slapped with a QO.


See, I think the problem is the opposite. They have Sanchez, ergo they think that they do. The fact that he'd be way cheaper plays a major role, too.

In actuality you are correct (that nobody can replace Martin's value), but the 'youth + cost' factors might deceive the FO into thinking otherwise.

The QO is a must.

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 Post subject: Re: Russell Martin
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OK. The Twins extended Kurt Suzuki's contract, paying him $6 million in 2015 and 2016, with a vesting option for $6 million in 2017. That's pretty affordable for a 30-year-old guy who was an All-Star this season.

http://fromforbestofederal.com/russell- ... ng-market/

Given Suzuki's deal, I think three guaranteed years at double that salary (or a bit more) gets it done for Russ. Right now -- letting him know that he will be slapped with a qualifying offer if he declines -- the Pirates should offer Russell Martin three years and $36M (and increase it to $40M if necessary). Give it a shot.

Otherwise, the market is very, very grim...


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 Post subject: Re: Russell Martin
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J_C_Steel wrote:
OK. The Twins extended Kurt Suzuki's contract, paying him $6 million in 2015 and 2016, with a vesting option for $6 million in 2017. That's pretty affordable for a 30-year-old guy who was an All-Star this season.

http://fromforbestofederal.com/russell- ... ng-market/

Given Suzuki's deal, I think three guaranteed years at double that salary (or a bit more) gets it done for Russ. Right now -- letting him know that he will be slapped with a qualifying offer if he declines -- the Pirates should offer Russell Martin three years and $36M (and increase it to $40M if necessary). Give it a shot.

Otherwise, the market is very, very grim...

Thought the same thing when I saw it. DK had a good article on his sight about signing Martin being even more important than any trade they would make today. According to him apparently they haven't even approached Martin. I'd like to think that will happen soon(or that he is wrong). Why not approach him to test the waters and see where a starting point might be in negotiations.


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