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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:55 pm 
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While we're talkin' at the break, here are four keys to the Pittsburgh Pirates' second half:

1. Fixing the bullpen. You can't blow 15 saves in the first half and be in playoff position. If the Pirates were merely average in this regard, they'd be leading the NL Central. I'm not sure how to fix this, but the Pirates could do worse than giving Andy Oliver a shot. He's had much better control in AAA this year. Vin Mazzaro's given up a few runs lately, but he's still sporting an ERA under 2 and BAA under .200 at Indianapolis. On the trade front, I would hope the Pirates would simply try to find good young arms instead of reaching for the fallacy of the "proven closer." We shall see.

2. Finding an "ace" and stabilizing the starting rotation. The Cardinals have Wainwright, the Reds have Cueto, the Dodgers have Kershaw, the Giants have Bumgarner, the Nationals have Strasburg, the Braves have Teheran. If you're going to sustain excellence in the NL, you need a top-of-the-rotation starter. The Pirates haven't had that this year. One of Gerrit Cole and Francisco Liriano need to straighten out, get tough, and become the "ace." That means consistently excellent performances that take the ball out of the hands of the bullpen and take advantage of the Pirates' surging offense. Meanwhile, Charlie Morton, Edinson Volquez, and Jeff Locke need to do their part at the back end of the rotation, cranking out decent performances and keeping the team in the game.

3. Producing at first base. I don't want to alarm any of you, and I understand "arbitrary end point" criticisms, but look at this and I dare you not to shudder:



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J_C_Steel wrote:
While we're talkin' at the break, here are four keys to the Pittsburgh Pirates' second half:

1. Fixing the bullpen. You can't blow 15 saves in the first half and be in playoff position. If the Pirates were merely average in this regard, they'd be leading the NL Central. I'm not sure how to fix this, but the Pirates could do worse than giving Andy Oliver a shot. He's had much better control in AAA this year. Vin Mazzaro's given up a few runs lately, but he's still sporting an ERA under 2 and BAA under .200 at Indianapolis. On the trade front, I would hope the Pirates would simply try to find good young arms instead of reaching for the fallacy of the "proven closer." We shall see.

Isn't that pretty much what we are doing now? It doesn't seem to be working...


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J_C_Steel wrote:
While we're talkin' at the break, here are four keys to the Pittsburgh Pirates' second half:

1. Fixing the bullpen. You can't blow 15 saves in the first half and be in playoff position. If the Pirates were merely average in this regard, they'd be leading the NL Central. I'm not sure how to fix this, but the Pirates could do worse than giving Andy Oliver a shot. He's had much better control in AAA this year. Vin Mazzaro's given up a few runs lately, but he's still sporting an ERA under 2 and BAA under .200 at Indianapolis. On the trade front, I would hope the Pirates would simply try to find good young arms instead of reaching for the fallacy of the "proven closer." We shall see.

Isn't that pretty much what we are doing now? It doesn't seem to be working...


Well, one problem is that the Pirates dealt away an arm -- Bryan Morris -- in a deal that everyone (including me) loved. But Morris has been great for the Marlins. Sure, he was struggling with the Pirates at the time, but he has great stuff and looks like he's turning a corner in Miami.

Gotta find the right arms. That's all. (Sounds easy. It isn't.)


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I look for Ike to do his best Adam LaRoche impersonation.

I think Gabby has been fairly unlucky in the last month. Looks like a lot of hard hit balls getting caught.

I'd like to see more bullpen help since Frieri has options.

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Ike Davis is maddening. He won't swing the bat until there are 2 strikes. No wonder he never hits a homer.


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For pitching help, Drew Pomeranz just came off the DL in Oakland and was shipped to AAA. May he be available?
1st base help, there's been articles talking about the Mets looking to deal Daniel Murphy. Make him your 1st baseman the rest of the season, then move him to 3rd next season if you deal Pedro or move Pedro to 1st.

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 Post subject: Re: Keys to the Second Half
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Does Michael Morse have an iron glove at first? The Giants have Belt, Posey and a guy at AAA with 27 homers to man first. They have said their whole roster is available.


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 Post subject: Re: Keys to the Second Half
PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:39 pm 
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doug frobel wrote:
Does Michael Morse have an iron glove at first? The Giants have Belt, Posey and a guy at AAA with 27 homers to man first. They have said their whole roster is available.


Mike Morse is one of those classic 'on paper' guys.

You look at his stat lines, splits and what not and you say, 'hey, not bad! This could work/be the solution to our problems!'

Then you sign/trade for him, plug him into your lineup and watch as the results do not come.

He's rarely healthy and even then his contributions don't add up to much (5.6 WAR in 10 seasons and/or since 2009).

He's basically an older version of Ike Davis (except that he can, theoretically, hit LHP).

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 Post subject: Re: Keys to the Second Half
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I think the effort has been there from the team and Neal Huntington. Despite people like Mark Madden burying management for not doing this or that, Neal went out and got Ike Davis early in the year which caught everyone off guard. And he gave up next to nothing for what is a first baseman who hit 30+ HR's just two years ago. How many guys like that are out there, that you can land without giving up top prospects? Answer: None. It's not Huntington's fault that Davis has hit .230 with 5 HR's this year. It was a worthy risk and very sensible trade. Same with the bullpen, Grilli was abysmal for us, so we trade him in for a much younger guy who throws hard. Head is in the right place on that trade, Frieri has been terrible but maybe they can still salvage him.

In terms of "moves" I think this team has done just fine, and I'm tired of constantly hearing they should trade this prospect and that prospect for this guy or that guy. That is NOT how you build a winning franchise. We don't need to give up Glasnow and Josh Bell to have a half year of David Price. How did we get to the playoffs last year? Because we drafted well, and we made good little trades/signings that paid off. We made those same moves this year, they just haven't paid off. But the good news is, they haven't HURT us either. And they haven't set us back by losing valuable prospects.

Pretty much 1 and 2 are the answers and keys here. The bullpen, which is usually our strength, needs to get better. They were our biggest weakness in the first half. And we need Cole or Lirano or both to be stoppers. First base is what it is. You already made a trade to fix that, what more can you do? The offense isn't the problem here, it's the pitching. They can do better on offense, sure. But what is more realistic for them is fixing that pitching staff.


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 Post subject: Re: Keys to the Second Half
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:39 am 
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So Tim Williams of Pirates Prospects basically wrote the same thing I wrote, only longer and slightly better:

http://www.piratesprospects.com/2014/07 ... nders.html

The Pittsburgh Pirates will kick off the second half of the season today. They enter the second half with a 49-46 record, sitting 3.5 games out of first place in the NL Central, and 3 games back in the Wild Card race. They’ve got the lowest chances of any of the playoff contenders, but they’re still considered contenders.

You can go through any team — contender or not — and you’ll find questions surrounding that team. The Pirates are no exception. They’ve got question marks at mid-season, and the answers to those questions could determine if they’re contenders this year, or a team that will mostly hover around .500, losing to teams in their own division, while destroying weaker competition. Here is a look at five of the key questions in the second half, all of which could determine whether the Pirates will remain contenders.

1. What Will the Pirates Get From Francisco Liriano and Gerrit Cole?

Most people had questions surrounding the back of the rotation heading into the season. So far, that has been the only thing that has worked for the Pirates. Edinson Volquez hasn’t been an ace, but he looks like the most recent success story when it comes to Ray Searage reclamation projects. Jeff Locke looks the best he has ever looked, and is statistically the best starter on the team. Charlie Morton is just continuing what he was doing last year, looking like a strong number three starter. Brandon Cumpton and Vance Worley have been great depth, and should continue in that role in the second half.

The problem is that Francisco Liriano and Gerrit Cole haven’t lived up to their expectations. Liriano has struggled this year, posting a 4.72 ERA, but a 3.76 xFIP. The advanced metrics suggest he will bounce back and pitch better, although not to the level of a top of the rotation guy. However, there are no guarantees as to when, or if, he will start to bounce back. Cole has pitched well this year, with a 3.78 ERA. That’s not as good as his 2013 numbers, especially at the end of the year. He’s now injured, and won’t be ready to return immediately after the All-Star break.

The Pirates have had great starting pitching since the start of June, and that has largely been without Liriano and Cole. If one, or both of these guys returns to pitch like an ace, then that would be a big boost for the Pirates in the second half.

2. Which Version of the First Base Platoon Will Show Up?

Ike Davis came to the Pirates and looked great right away. He had an .862 OPS in the month of May, but started to fade after that. His OPS in June was .597, and in July it is .488. Gaby Sanchez has been crushing lefties for the last year, and continued that in May, with an .898 OPS. He also faded in June, with a .539 OPS. In July he has a .304 OPS. His OPS against lefties this year is now .825, which is still good, but mostly fueled by an amazing first two months.

It’s not like the Pirates can’t contend without production from first base. They didn’t get any right-handed production last year from Garrett Jones or Justin Morneau. They’ve got a stronger offense this year than they had last year, which makes it more likely that they could overcome the first base struggles. However, what we’ve seen lately is bad, and the trend continues to go in the wrong direction.

In May, it looked like the Pirates finally found a first base platoon after a month and a half. Now it looks like the Pirates might want to look at other options for each spot in the platoon after a different month and a half stretch. That just shows that anything can happen. So which first base platoon will show up going forward?

3. How Much Power Will the Pirates Get From Pedro Alvarez?

Pedro Alvarez isn’t having a bad season, but he isn’t having a good season either. His average is still at the usual low point, although he’s taking more walks this year. His power is way down, but still good, with a .175 ISO. He’s on pace for 26 homers this year, which would be six fewer than his 2013 total, and four less than his 2012 total.

Alvarez had a good month of June, with an .879 OPS. He’s faded in July, with a .711 OPS so far. He did the same thing last year, with a monster month of June, posting a 1.060 OPS. He had a .700 OPS in the second half. That hasn’t always been the trend. In 2012 he had a .926 OPS in June, and did well in July and August, before struggling in September.

Offense isn’t the only focus here, as Alvarez has had some serious problems with his throwing. That’s usually a strong point to his game, and now you cringe every time he makes a throw, even if it’s a routine throw. The offense is the key for Alvarez, as the entire Pirates offense goes to a new level when he’s hitting well. If his defensive struggles continue, he’s going to need to hit like the June version, just to make up for the defensive mistakes.

4. How Will the Bullpen Look in the Second Half?

15 blown saves. That’s the number thrown around all the time, and it’s bad no matter how you look at it. If a few of those games go the Pirates’ way, then we could be talking about a first place team right now.

The blown saves represent a problem. But is that problem confined to the first half, or is it something the Pirates have to be concerned about in the second half?

Seven of those blown saves came from guys who are no longer on the team. Jason Grilli (4) and Bryan Morris (3) led to almost half of the blown saves for the Pirates this year. The frustrating thing is that both pitchers are performing well since being traded away.

Then you’ve got the middle inning blown saves. Tony Watson has been an amazing reliever this year, but has four blown saves because he gave up four leads in the seventh or eighth innings. I don’t think anyone should be worried about Watson, and his four blown saves have no impact on the closer’s role.

Justin Wilson has one blown save. He’s also partially responsible for one of Watson’s blown saves, since he put the runners on, and Watson couldn’t get out of the jam. Once again, these blown saves don’t show the need for a closer. In Wilson’s case, he has struggled this year, and this could represent a need for an upgrade in the middle relief area. He did finish the first half strong, and has shown good abilities in his time in the majors. If that’s the Wilson that continues to show up, then the Pirates will be fine.

The final three blown saves came off Mark Melancon. He’s entered a game with a lead 35 times this year, and he’s only blown the lead three times. He’s 16-for-19 in save opportunities. As I wrote last night, he has been an elite reliever this year. I’m not worried about Melancon going forward, even in the closer’s role.

I don’t think the blown saves represent a problem for this bullpen going forward. Half of them came from relievers who are no longer around. Five of the rest came during the middle innings, which might be a problem the Pirates should address, but not in a way where they’re giving up a lot of money or prospects. Seven of the blown saves (including four from the middle innings group) came from two of the best relievers in baseball.

The thing about blown saves is that they’re treated so much differently than any other stat. If a position player has three bad games, no one even notices. If a good starting pitcher has three bad innings, it’s probably going to get lost in the mix. But if a reliever has one bad inning, or one bad game, it sticks with them. And it shouldn’t. It’s a problem that the Pirates had 15 blown saves in the first half, and it’s a problem that seven of those came from two of the best relievers in the league this year. But I think these problems are limited to the first half. The Pirates will still see some blown saves and bad games from their bullpen — that’s unavoidable for any team. They won’t see it at the frequency they saw it in the first half.

5. What Kind of Internal/External Help Will the Pirates Add?

This has been a slow month of July for rumors. Last year at this time there were 36 posts to our news and rumors section. This year? One. I’m sure we’ll hear about all of the discussions that went on behind the scenes when the Astros have their next data leak. Until then, the lack of rumors seems to indicate that the Pirates won’t be doing anything before the deadline.

Then again, a lot of the moves the Pirates have made are moves that came out of nowhere. There was some talk last year on Marlon Byrd and Justin Morneau before they were acquired. But deals like Wandy Rodriguez, Travis Snider, and others came out of nowhere. And as we saw with the Astros situation, sometimes when we hear a rumor, it’s well after the talks have broken off.

I’ll be doing a trade deadline preview tomorrow, focusing on the needs of the team. I don’t think they have any major needs. That’s not saying they can’t find upgrades, but I just don’t look at this team and see a team that needs to go out and make a big splash. I think they’ve got a lot of guys who can perform better in the second half. They’ve got a lot of depth in the minors, and that’s an area where they’ve already seen in-season upgrades. Pat Lackey made a good point today about the big questions surrounding this team at the start of the year.

A bunch of the questions that everyone assumed would drive the success of this team in March: “Can Jordy Mercer be an every day shortstop?” and “Will Pedro Alvarez ever make the leap?” and “Is Gerrit Cole the next Justin Verlander?” and “Can anything stop the Gregory Polanco Train?” and “So is Starling Marte kinda good or pretty good or really good?” have all been more or less deferred to the second half and the Pirates are still in contention.

The Pirates are contenders, despite no answer to those big question marks. As I said earlier, every team has question marks. The Pirates have a lot of potential upside on their roster, and they’ve been contending without a lot of those upside players performing to their expectations. They’ve got a team capable of contending and possibly winning the division. They just need the big guys to step up. The performances of Cole, Alvarez, Polanco, Marte, and Liriano are going to be far greater than any external addition. If most of those players do well, then they won’t need a big splash. And if most of those guys struggle, then a big splash isn’t going to be enough to make the Pirates a contender.


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The 1B/Pedro problems are offset by each other. So long as one produces it can effectively counter balance the other's short comings.

The SP/RP problem less so. If one keeps screwing up, and it doesn't matter which, it will cost the team wins without effective counter. Both need to perform at an 'average' clip/pace (or the 'outliers' need to be used sparingly to provide more overall 'average production').

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NSMaster56 wrote:
The 1B/Pedro problems are offset by each other. So long as one produces it can effectively counter balance the other's short comings.

The SP/RP problem less so. If one keeps screwing up, and it doesn't matter which, it will cost the team wins without effective counter. Both need to perform at an 'average' clip/pace (or the 'outliers' need to be used sparingly to provide more overall 'average production').


Let's solve both problems at once- we'll find a 7 foot tall firstbaseman with a 30 inch vertical who can mash...If Pedro can overthrow him, we'll send him to Cuba to overthrow Castro (rimshot/cymbals).


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doug frobel wrote:
NSMaster56 wrote:
The 1B/Pedro problems are offset by each other. So long as one produces it can effectively counter balance the other's short comings.

The SP/RP problem less so. If one keeps screwing up, and it doesn't matter which, it will cost the team wins without effective counter. Both need to perform at an 'average' clip/pace (or the 'outliers' need to be used sparingly to provide more overall 'average production').


Let's solve both problems at once- we'll find a 7 foot tall firstbaseman with a 30 inch vertical who can mash...If Pedro can overthrow him, we'll send him to Cuba to overthrow Castro (rimshot/cymbals).


:lol:

Bucfan is upset he didn't think of this first! :D

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