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 Post subject: Charlie Morton=Roy Halliday
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:44 pm 
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I really think this is true...the physical part. Mentally, Charlie has the make-up of a 15-year old high school pitcher.

Let's break down his meltdown inning:

Zach Cozart gets out over 70% of the time. The guy hardly wallks. But Morton walks him to lead off the inning with a four-run lead.

Chris Heisey has two home runs all season. Charlie, you are better than this guy. Can't let him beat you.

Walks Ramon Santiago. Guy barely gets on base over 30% of the time. Again, the walk is giving the game away.

Frazier is better than you Charlie. Which means you can't get behind in the count and can't go 3-2 on him.

In the end, Charlie Morton has similar stuff as Roy Halliday, but the mental part of the game will make him a No. 3 or 4 pitcher his whole career.

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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton=Roy Halliday
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:03 pm 
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Morton's another head case. He's only good for 5 innings. After that, usually he's toast.


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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton=Roy Halliday
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Clevelandsux wrote:
Morton's another head case. He's only good for 5 innings. After that, usually he's toast.


Really? Did you see the Cardinals game earlier in the week?

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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton=Roy Halliday
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:48 pm 
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I said usually. That game was an exception.


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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton=Roy Halliday
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:56 pm 
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Clevelandsux wrote:
I said usually. That game was an exception.


Before tonight, Charlie Morton has gone at least 6 innings in each of his last 6 starts and only given up more than 2 runs once. That would be five quality starts.

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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton=Roy Halliday
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And his ERA was under 3 until tonight.

He's far from an ace, but also far from a hack.


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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton=Roy Halliday
PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:16 am 
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An aside, but sort of interesting...

Locke pitched last night. Morton tonight. Gaby has played first each of the last two nights.

Locke, Morton and Gorkys all came via the McLouth trade, with Gorkys later being swapped for Gaby.

Pretty good trade.

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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton=Roy Halliday
PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:18 am 
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Halladay was a four time all-star by age 30. So Ground Chuck is a real poor man's version of Doc.

BR.com has the closest comparison to Morton as Chris Holt (then Tim Redding and Mike Scott, whoever they were).

I vaguely remember him from his days in Houston.

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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton=Roy Halliday
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NSMaster56 wrote:
Halladay was a four time all-star by age 30. So Ground Chuck is a real poor man's version of Doc.

BR.com has the closest comparison to Morton as Chris Holt (then Tim Redding and Mike Scott, whoever they were).

I vaguely remember him from his days in Houston.


True, but that's because Morton figured it out later. His stuff is very similar, though. But again, he doesn't have the mental makeup.

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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton=Roy Halliday
PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:24 am 
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Yeah, okay, but when the mother@#$%&* behind home plate won't call mother@#$%^*% strike 3, and gives that @#$%sucker Frazier four strikes, the @#$%ing inning takes a slightly different @#$*ing turn, no????

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Yes, umpire, you blind ass mother@#$%^*, pitch number 5 was strike 3 and the @#$%ing at-bat was over.

Oh, goddamn Todd @#$%^(* Frazier gets 4 strikes? Yeah, well, @#$% me, let the at-bat continue.

If every umpire were to die in his sleep tonight and be replaced by a bag of dog@#$%, I would applaud.

I had to turn the game off after the umpire @#$%^ed Morton again. I hate umpires and hope they all get polio.


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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton=Roy Halliday
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Preach, brother. (Should have kept the game on by the way)

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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton=Roy Halliday
PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:34 am 
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No. no. no.

Roy came at you with an array of pitches. Hitters were completely off balance. Alot. He was mentally prepared, ready and never rattled.

Charlie throws less pitches, physically, and he doesn't have the gas Roy had. Charlie is easily rattled.

Mentally, no comparison. Other than the windup, no physical comparison repertoire wise.

Charlie < Roy


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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton=Roy Halliday
PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:57 am 
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55-60% GB% (among league leaders) + extremely low HR/9 wields good results more often than not.

That's essentially Morton. Take away the nightmare-ish 2010 season (before adding the sinker and the general mechanics overhaul) and he's been a very good SP over the course of the past five years. Especially so considering he has probably improved since the TJS. I say this as someone who was once a detractor. I could never buy into the potential of the arsenal when line-ups seemed to figure him out so easily early on the second or third time through.

Jim Benedict (currently assistant to GM, former minor league pitching coordinator) came up in a thread the other day ... while a lot of his credit has gone to the examples where pitchers got injured and worked with him in extended spring training to refine mechanical issues (Liriano Burnett), Morton often gives Benedict a lot of credit for all the extra work he put in. Benedict was also the one who encouraged Morton to emulate Halladay's delivery. Can't argue with the results.


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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton=Roy Halliday
PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:06 pm 
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Clevelandsux wrote:
Morton's another head case. He's only good for 5 innings. After that, usually he's toast.

He's averaging over six innings per start.

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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton=Roy Halliday
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Bucfan wrote:
Yeah, okay, but when the mother@#$%&* behind home plate won't call mother@#$%^*% strike 3, and gives that @#$%sucker Frazier four strikes, the @#$%ing inning takes a slightly different @#$*ing turn, no????

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Yes, umpire, you blind ass mother@#$%^*, pitch number 5 was strike 3 and the @#$%ing at-bat was over.

Oh, goddamn Todd @#$%^(* Frazier gets 4 strikes? Yeah, well, @#$% me, let the at-bat continue.

If every umpire were to die in his sleep tonight and be replaced by a bag of dog@#$%, I would applaud.

I had to turn the game off after the umpire @#$%^ed Morton again. I hate umpires and hope they all get polio.


I commented on this in another thread. I was watching on ESPN game cast and it looked like he called 2 pitches well inside the zone balls and that hurt. He also was missing many inside the zone most of the game, but cutch was the difference maker.

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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton=Roy Halliday
PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:01 pm 
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sisyphus wrote:
Clevelandsux wrote:
Morton's another head case. He's only good for 5 innings. After that, usually he's toast.

He's averaging over six innings per start.


And that's when we gets into trouble.


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