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 Post subject: Huston Street
PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:43 pm 
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Any of you out there think he can be had without giving up Kingham or Glasnow? I think that's the only way I would do that deal if I was Huntington, not that he's even considering him.

I think we have enough to offer in Sampson, Sadler, Cumpton, and some lower-level guys that we shouldn't have to part with either of the other two.

Follow up question- does Frieri have options?


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 Post subject: Re: Huston Street
PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:09 pm 
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doug frobel wrote:
Follow up question- does Frieri have options?


Yeah, at least two: kick himself in the nuts or let the fans do it. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Huston Street
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NSMaster56 wrote:
doug frobel wrote:
Follow up question- does Frieri have options?


Yeah, at least two: kick himself in the nuts or let the fans do it. :D


+1 :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Huston Street
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No options for Frieri, and I'd be loathe to trade for an older bullpen arm as a "fix." I'd much rather push Volquez or Worley to the 'pen when Cole & Liriano are healthy to see if one of those guys could fill a late-innings role.


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 Post subject: Re: Huston Street
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It's just that getting a closer would sort of get us two pitchers for one- we get Melancon back in the role he's nasty in- the 8th inning.


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 Post subject: Re: Huston Street
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Rather go for Uehara instead. He's a lot older and we probably can give up much less to get him.


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 Post subject: Re: Huston Street
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urbman21 wrote:
Rather go for Uehara instead. He's a lot older and we probably can give up much less to get him.


He's available?


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 Post subject: Re: Huston Street
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Yep sure is.


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 Post subject: Re: Huston Street
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doug frobel wrote:
NSMaster56 wrote:
doug frobel wrote:
Follow up question- does Frieri have options?


Yeah, at least two: kick himself in the nuts or let the fans do it. :D


+1 :lol:


LOL, literally.

He doesn't command the fastball very well. That pitch last night was right down Broadway.


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 Post subject: Re: Huston Street
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I have no real problem with Huston Street but I'd probably rather give up less for a good reliever without gaudy save totals, if one is available.

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 Post subject: Re: Huston Street
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And the myth of the proven closer goes on and on....

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 Post subject: Re: Huston Street
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sisyphus wrote:
And the myth of the proven closer goes on and on....


Well, if I'm in a pennant race, I'm certainly not giving the ball in the 9th inning to someone who has never pitched in a high-leverage situation, no matter how nasty his stuff is.


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 Post subject: Re: Huston Street
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doug frobel wrote:
sisyphus wrote:
And the myth of the proven closer goes on and on....


Well, if I'm in a pennant race, I'm certainly not giving the ball in the 9th inning to someone who has never pitched in a high-leverage situation, no matter how nasty his stuff is.



I don't think Uehara had before Boston did just that last season.

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 Post subject: Re: Huston Street
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SUPERCHARGED APE wrote:
doug frobel wrote:
sisyphus wrote:
And the myth of the proven closer goes on and on....


Well, if I'm in a pennant race, I'm certainly not giving the ball in the 9th inning to someone who has never pitched in a high-leverage situation, no matter how nasty his stuff is.



I don't think Uehara had before Boston did just that last season.


Plus I'm pretty sure Melancon was like the 2nd or 3rd most leveraged reliever last year. He just wasn't really doing it in the 9th inning so it went unnoticed.

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 Post subject: Re: Huston Street
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doug frobel wrote:

Well, if I'm in a pennant race, I'm certainly not giving the ball in the 9th inning to someone who has never pitched in a high-leverage situation, no matter how nasty his stuff is.

I don't think Uehara had before Boston did just that last season.


How about the example of the Pirates last several closers themselves? They have groomed mostly all of them into that role without having to bring in any "proven closer". Grilli, Hanrahan, Capps, Gonzalez, Williams ... no closing experience, a few of which went on to have longer careers in that role even with other teams. Even someone like Dotel was just an aging scrapheap FA who hadn't closed in 6-7 years, still had a decent enough K%, got the job done and was ultimately flipped for something of value when a large market team came knocking.

Of course, I disagree w/ the experience thing, because it seems to buy into the notion that there is some type of mythos to the whole thing that conveys that it's something different than just getting three outs. This year was a rare example where someone just completely implodes in that role (Grilli ... aging and velocity reduction). I specifically remember a statistic that was pulled few years ago when there was hysteria in Yankeee-land over Rivera being injured, which was that in the span that Rivera had closed for NYY, the Pirates (stereotypical "bad team" example) won something like 96% of the time during save opportunities in that span.


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 Post subject: Re: Huston Street
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doug frobel wrote:
sisyphus wrote:
And the myth of the proven closer goes on and on....


Well, if I'm in a pennant race, I'm certainly not giving the ball in the 9th inning to someone who has never pitched in a high-leverage situation, no matter how nasty his stuff is.

High leverage situations are not exclusive to the ninth inning.

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 Post subject: Re: Huston Street
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Wouldn't it suck to give up a high end prospect for a reliever (closer) who probably won't pitch all that much?

Melancon can close. Watson is lights out. Wilson will find his groove again. That's a pretty good back end. Mazzaro needs consideration. Hughes had been better. Gomez and Pimentel as early guys. Still feeling out Frito. That's what Mazzaro is for.


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 Post subject: Re: Huston Street
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buccosfan77 wrote:
Wouldn't it suck to give up a high end prospect for a reliever (closer) who probably won't pitch all that much?


Chris Davis for Koji Uehara.

Seriously, I still hold the unwillingness to trade Hanrahan against NH. That team was awful, was near 500 because of smoke and mirrors, and he refuses to trade his closer because the fanbase still thinks it's a relevant position. Unreal. The Rangers wanted Hanrahan and we refuse to part with him because we're "in it".

I was born and raised in Pittsburgh but that was ridiculous. I try to listen to podcasts buy Guy Junker and Ken Laird are f*cking maroons. It's maddening. John Fedko should have his credentials stripped as well. Jesus Cristo. Those guys always think they should be aggressive because they "owe us".

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StarlingArcher wrote:
buccosfan77 wrote:
Wouldn't it suck to give up a high end prospect for a reliever (closer) who probably won't pitch all that much?


Chris Davis for Koji Uehara.

Seriously, I still hold the unwillingness to trade Hanrahan against NH. That team was awful, was near 500 because of smoke and mirrors, and he refuses to trade his closer because the fanbase still thinks it's a relevant position. Unreal. The Rangers wanted Hanrahan and we refuse to part with him because we're "in it".

I was born and raised in Pittsburgh but that was ridiculous. I try to listen to podcasts buy Guy Junker and Ken Laird are f*cking maroons. It's maddening. John Fedko should have his credentials stripped as well. Jesus Cristo. Those guys always think they should be aggressive because they "owe us".



That team was so bad that I still don't consider it a collapse. Chase D'Arnaud was playing a major role that year!

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 Post subject: Re: Huston Street
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That team was so bad that I still don't consider it a collapse. Chase D'Arnaud was playing a major role that year!


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