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 Post subject: Re: June 10, 2014 Cubs (25-36) at Pirates (30-33) - POLANCO!
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What the heck is an "injured side?"


It's an oblique injury. Tough thing for a pitcher to deal with.


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 Post subject: Re: June 10, 2014 Cubs (25-36) at Pirates (30-33) - POLANCO!
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Starling Marte is probably the worst baserunner I've ever seen.


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 Post subject: Re: June 10, 2014 Cubs (25-36) at Pirates (30-33) - POLANCO!
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For posterity, here are a few tweets, pictures, videos, and articles regarding Polanco's debut:



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 Post subject: Re: June 10, 2014 Cubs (25-36) at Pirates (30-33) - POLANCO!
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Worthy of its own post is John Dreker's video review of Gregory Polanco's Five Tools:

http://www.piratesprospects.com/2014/06 ... lanco.html

Great stuff.


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J_C_Steel wrote:
Starling Marte is probably the worst baserunner I've ever seen.


He is the worst baserunner I've seen since I started seriously following baseball in my late teens, and I don't believe it's very close.


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TheShark wrote:
J_C_Steel wrote:
Starling Marte is probably the worst baserunner I've ever seen.


He is the worst baserunner I've seen since I started seriously following baseball in my late teens, and I don't believe it's very close.

And the really frustrating thing is that baserunning seems an eminently learnable skill. And in contrast to most other team sports, when you're standing on first base, you've got loads of time to think and plan what you're going to do over the next 90 -180 feet.


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 Post subject: Re: June 10, 2014 Cubs (25-36) at Pirates (30-33) - POLANCO!
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TheShark wrote:
J_C_Steel wrote:
Starling Marte is probably the worst baserunner I've ever seen.


He is the worst baserunner I've seen since I started seriously following baseball in my late teens, and I don't believe it's very close.


Worse than Milledge?

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Worse than Milledge?


I think so. Milledge displayed poor fundamentals on the basepaths no doubt, but I don't recall him having a surplus of shortcomings in the vein of routinely getting picked off bases, etc. The infamous "HR jog" did a lot to the fan's perception, as well, and perhaps rightfully so. Marte also gets docked more heavily, at least by me, because he has actually been gifted with some of the best speed in the league, so baserunning should actually be an asset as opposed to a hindrance.


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 Post subject: Re: June 10, 2014 Cubs (25-36) at Pirates (30-33) - POLANCO!
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Marte's baserunning is an asset. People just notice the mistakes more than the times when he successfully takes an extra base. Which is quite often.


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Ralphie wrote:
Marte's baserunning is an asset. People just notice the mistakes more than the times when he successfully takes an extra base. Which is quite often.


It should be an asset. The lack of fundamentals have outweighed the tools up to this point.

It is not XBHs that are the problem (I assume that's what you mean by "taking an extra base"), it's what he does once he's on base. What happens quite often is running into outs or getting picked off of a base, which kills that value. He was also caught stealing the most times in the league last year.

I think things will change. The talent would almost dictate it as will more experience. But there aren't many positives right now.


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I will say I'm a bit sad that no one mentioned my Charles Darwin joke in the initial post in this thread. I liked that one.


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