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 Post subject: Top 10 Lists
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:20 pm 
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Does anyone know how McCutchen and Marte fared in mlb network's recent top 10 center and left field lists?

Meanwhile, on mlb.com's list of the 10 ten outfield prospects, the Bucs put both Polanco and Meadows on the list, Polanco at #3, and Meadows a bit further down. Oh, and the top 3rd base prospect? Miguel Sano...

Taillon also made the top 10 pitching prospects, I think at #5.


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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 Lists
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I saw some of the CF one and I'm pretty sure Cutch came out on top.


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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 Lists
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Hanson also made top 10 SS and McGuire the same for C.

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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 Lists
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StarlingArcher wrote:
Hanson also made top 10 SS and McGuire the same for C.


You're talking about prospect lists; he's talking about current MLB player lists.


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doug frobel wrote:
Meanwhile, on mlb.com's list of the 10 ten outfield prospects, the Bucs put both Polanco and Meadows on the list, Polanco at #3, and Meadows a bit further down. Oh, and the top 3rd base prospect? Miguel Sano...

Taillon also made the top 10 pitching prospects, I think at #5.

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doug frobel wrote:
Does anyone know how McCutchen and Marte fared in mlb network's recent top 10 center and left field lists?


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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 Lists
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Sorry- I combined both "List" series in the same post. Confusing, I know.


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Top Ten 1st Baseman is on right now. Don't worry. there is no use watching it.


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Cutch was second behind Mike Trout…... 8-) 8-)


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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 Lists
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Marte was 6th for LF.


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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 Lists
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Is there even a remote chance Walker is on the list of second basemen? I'm thinking...

Cano
Phillips
Pedroia
Kipnis
Kinzler
Matt Carpenter (if they still consider him a 2nd baseman)
Ellis
Utley
Profar

are definitely ahead of him just off the top of my head.


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Doubt it with Walker. Their best shot for another top 10 guy is probably Russ Martin. Maybe Alvarez but I don't know AL 3B very well.


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JollyRoger wrote:
Their best shot for another top 10 guy is probably Russ Martin. Maybe Alvarez but I don't know AL 3B very well.


Alvarez's OPS was the 7th best among 3B last year (both leagues), plus he has the tying for NL HR lead accolade on his side. But he could be surpassed by the name recognition of guys like Sandoval and Headley. As far as AL 3B, they have far and away the top four (Cabrera, Beltre, Donaldson, Longoria).


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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 Lists
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JollyRoger wrote:
Doubt it with Walker. Their best shot for another top 10 guy is probably Russ Martin. Maybe Alvarez but I don't know AL 3B very well.


Holy crap!! Walker came in 8th!!


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doug frobel wrote:
JollyRoger wrote:
Doubt it with Walker. Their best shot for another top 10 guy is probably Russ Martin. Maybe Alvarez but I don't know AL 3B very well.


Holy crap!! Walker came in 8th!!


Very nice, but I'm curious as to hear what they said about him. Any idea? I feel defensively he is deserving, but after last year at the plate I'm kind of surprised.


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CurvePirate814 wrote:
doug frobel wrote:
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Doubt it with Walker. Their best shot for another top 10 guy is probably Russ Martin. Maybe Alvarez but I don't know AL 3B very well.


Holy crap!! Walker came in 8th!!


Very nice, but I'm curious as to hear what they said about him. Any idea? I feel defensively he is deserving, but after last year at the plate I'm kind of surprised.


His numbers weren't that bad for 2013. 16 HR's (Career High), his walk rate was up, his strike out rate was down, and he plays a good defense.

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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 Lists
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His numbers weren't that bad for 2013. 16 HR's (Career High), his walk rate was up, his strike out rate was down, and he plays a good defense.

He was 9th in WAR for 2nd base, 8th in HR's among 2nd basemen, his BB rate ranked 7th, his ISO was 7th, his OBP was 9th, while his BABIP was among the lowest of all 2nd basemen - 15th at just .274.

That means if and when his BABIP normalizes to .310, his BA, OBP, slugging, R, RBI, etc. all increase notably. He is due for a big year, IMO.


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I agree with you Bucfan. By his own admission, last year was a full year grind. He never got into any kind of groove for any amount of time (your low BABIP, I guess). With a full year of health behind him, an offseason of preparation, not rehab, he could bounce back nicely to the .285 hitter with power (and other peripherals that I don't want to type) that he seems to be.

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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 Lists
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Bucfan wrote:
nad69dan wrote:
His numbers weren't that bad for 2013. 16 HR's (Career High), his walk rate was up, his strike out rate was down, and he plays a good defense.

He was 9th in WAR for 2nd base, 8th in HR's among 2nd basemen, his BB rate ranked 7th, his ISO was 7th, his OBP was 9th, while his BABIP was among the lowest of all 2nd basemen - 15th at just .274.

That means if and when his BABIP normalizes to .310, his BA, OBP, slugging, R, RBI, etc. all increase notably. He is due for a big year, IMO.


I said in another thread a while ago- I think this will be Neil's career year when he looks back on it.


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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 Lists
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I've kinda been down on Walker, so much so that when Bucfan pointed out above that he had a low BABIP, my first thought was that it is probably because he hit more ground balls or something, so that it is more reflective of declining skill than luck.

But actually, last year his BB rate went up, his K rate went down, more of his hits went for extra bases, his line drive rate climbed to 24%, his GB/FB rate improved, his ISO increased...basically everything looks good except the drop in BA.

Don't know that I'm ready to predict breakout...but the "unlucky" idea certainly has merit.


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