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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:57 am 
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Snider signed a 1.2 million 1 year deal with the Bucs, all but ensuring he will make the team coming out of spring training.

I fully expect he and Tabata to share right field and Polanco to start out in AAA. But what happens if June comes along and both are playing well?


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 Post subject: Re: Travis Snider
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Ralphie wrote:
I fully expect he and Tabata to share right field and Polanco to start out in AAA. But what happens if June comes along and both are playing well?


I don't think it'll be a straight platoon, I think Tabata more than earned the starting job last year, and Snider will be lefty option off the bench. And that's perfectly fine for the 4th OF (plus Lambo can play there as well in a Jones-type versatility role). When Polanco gets promoted I predict that Snider will be DFA'd. If he's playing well enough for that not to be the case, I would love to be wrong, but that's my prediction. Especially when Decker and Dickerson are available as potentially better depth options.

But, it does take the fun out of guessing how the 25-man roster will fill out as it seems pretty black and white now. It seems like it has been quite a few years since at the very least the bench utility IF and 4th OF spots weren't up for grabs.


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 Post subject: Re: Travis Snider
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Are we going to work him out at 1B this spring as well as Lambo? I am intrigued by the potential of both, but afraid of the failure of either.


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 Post subject: Re: Travis Snider
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No, he will play with Tabata in RF until he shows he can play or can't play. They just signed a one year deal for 1.2M today, so I think its show up or ship out by June.

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 Post subject: Re: Travis Snider
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bradf wrote:
Are we going to work him out at 1B this spring as well as Lambo?


What would the point of that be? He has never played 1B before, and you already have the Lambo/Gaby platoon. Even if Lambo fails, they'd be better suited to call up McGuiness, Ishikawa or even Hague than randomly have a player like Snider switch positions when he has been a bad to terrible hitter in the majors.


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I believe they will give Gaby more shots against RH this year, too. From the belief that he once, not that long ago, could hit RH, and maybe he can be respectable again. NH has said as much in public.

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Yeah I think so too and I think it is a bad decision. Gaby may be able to hit righties better than he did last year, but he's never going to hit them well enough to please me.


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ZelieMike wrote:
I believe they will give Gaby more shots against RH this year, too. From the belief that he once, not that long ago, could hit RH, and maybe he can be respectable again. NH has said as much in public.


Have a source for those Huntington comments? I've heard no such thing, and it would terrify me if true. He posted a .566 OPS against RHP in 2012 and a .619 last year. At age 30, the chances are much, much more likely that he has turned into a platoon player than that he just happens to be in a 400 AB slump against righties and will turn it around. Now, I don't doubt that they won't be afraid to give him some ABs against righties just based on how many he got last year. But I believe Lambo will have every chance against them first.


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I'm not going to dig up a link but Neil did make comments to that effect when asked about his efforts to acquire a first baseman. Could have been a smoke screen though. And Hurdle tried to make Gaby an every day first baseman last year. If you remember Gaby started opening day against a rightie.


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 Post subject: Re: Travis Snider
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Ralphie wrote:
And Hurdle tried to make Gaby an every day first baseman last year. If you remember Gaby started opening day against a rightie.


Oh I remember, 61% of his ABs last year were against RHP, but considering he barely posted an OPS over .600 against them (and worse than that the year before), I am hoping that this year is the end of that experiment.


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 Post subject: Re: Travis Snider
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TheShark wrote:
ZelieMike wrote:
I believe they will give Gaby more shots against RH this year, too. From the belief that he once, not that long ago, could hit RH, and maybe he can be respectable again. NH has said as much in public.


Have a source for those Huntington comments? I've heard no such thing, and it would terrify me if true. He posted a .566 OPS against RHP in 2012 and a .619 last year. At age 30, the chances are much, much more likely that he has turned into a platoon player than that he just happens to be in a 400 AB slump against righties and will turn it around. Now, I don't doubt that they won't be afraid to give him some ABs against righties just based on how many he got last year. But I believe Lambo will have every chance against them first.



Here you go - http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/pit/pir ... y=news_pit

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"We're looking to put the best first-base production together that we can," Huntington said. "We have the luxury of Gaby, who absolutely annihilates left-handed pitching, and we're two years removed from him doing a nice job against right-handers."

"I think a lot of people are uncomfortable with Gaby as our answer. We're not," Huntington said of the right-handed hitter acquired from the Marlins in 2012.


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 Post subject: Re: Travis Snider
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mjdouble wrote:


Thanks for the link, hadn't seen those quotes (guess that's what I get for rarely using the actual official Pirates site as a news source these days). While I find the quote about thinking Gaby might bounce back to hitting RHP worrisome, I'm not too concerned, because the entire article is based around "ideally we want a platoon, but if not, we have this last resort ..." with Huntington pointing out to the fans/media that it isn't a completely hopeless scenario since he hit them three years ago. I do think the lack of mentioning Lambo in the article is odd, but I guess understandable since it was focusing on the FAs that were available at the time. It's obviously not a question of whether or not he will be on the team as a 1B with Snider being the 4th OF, and I would be floored if they actually went with Gaby full-time against RHP in favor of not seeing what they have in Lambo with Gaby's extreme splits. But I certainly wouldn't put it past Hurdle to try that for a few weeks if Gaby has a strong ST or something similar, we've already seen that in his past managerial tendencies.


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 Post subject: Re: Travis Snider
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Ralphie wrote:
Snider signed a 1.2 million 1 year deal with the Bucs, all but ensuring he will make the team coming out of spring training.

I fully expect he and Tabata to share right field and Polanco to start out in AAA. But what happens if June comes along and both are playing well?

It's not guaranteed, so the signing doesn't ensure anything, but I expect him to make the team anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: Travis Snider
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TheShark wrote:
mjdouble wrote:


Thanks for the link, hadn't seen those quotes (guess that's what I get for rarely using the actual official Pirates site as a news source these days). While I find the quote about thinking Gaby might bounce back to hitting RHP worrisome, I'm not too concerned, because the entire article is based around "ideally we want a platoon, but if not, we have this last resort ..." with Huntington pointing out to the fans/media that it isn't a completely hopeless scenario since he hit them three years ago. I do think the lack of mentioning Lambo in the article is odd, but I guess understandable since it was focusing on the FAs that were available at the time. It's obviously not a question of whether or not he will be on the team as a 1B with Snider being the 4th OF, and I would be floored if they actually went with Gaby full-time against RHP in favor of not seeing what they have in Lambo with Gaby's extreme splits. But I certainly wouldn't put it past Hurdle to try that for a few weeks if Gaby has a strong ST or something similar, we've already seen that in his past managerial tendencies.


I didn't put much stock in his comments either. They were said at the winter meetings and I think he was posturing more than anything. Seems like he was just trying to play it off with potential trade partners that they aren't desperate enough to give up high end prospects for their flawed left handed hitting platoon 1Bs.


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 Post subject: Re: Travis Snider
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Ralphie wrote:
Snider signed a 1.2 million 1 year deal with the Bucs, all but ensuring he will make the team coming out of spring training.

I fully expect he and Tabata to share right field and Polanco to start out in AAA. But what happens if June comes along and both are playing well?

It's not guaranteed, so the signing doesn't ensure anything, but I expect him to make the team anyway.


I think this contract is guaranteed.


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