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 Post subject: Guess Who's on the Trading Block?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:21 pm 
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Mark Trumbo.

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The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (California, United States, Earth) have put Trumbo and Peter Bourjos on the trading block, folks. And what do they want? Pitching. What do the Pirates have? Pitching.

I was a little excited when I heard this, but then I looked at Trumbo's stats.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ma01.shtml

Basically, he's a right-handed Pedro Alvarez... who walks LESS than El Toro. That doesn't excite me. Sure, 95 home runs over three years is nice, but the .299 career OBP and bad defense at first base don't really make me do the dance of joy.

That said, it may be worth exploring. Dr. Strangeglove believes the Pirates should consider a Morton-for-Trumbo swap. That's not a bad idea if the Pirates don't foresee extending #ElectricStuff, as he'll be a free agent after the 2014 season while Trumbolicious won't hit the market until after the 2016 campaign.

http://www.drstrangeglove.com/2013/10/2 ... ake-sense/

Here's the ever-reliable Tim Williams on the idea:

http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/10 ... ching.html

Thoughts?


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 Post subject: Re: Guess Who's on the Trading Block?
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Bit worried about Trumbo's high K rate. His glove is "ehh" at best as well. Not a great fit, IMO.

Trumbo basically has three things going for him:

(1) He would hit HR's in PNC. The ESPN Home Run Tracker for 2013:

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(2) He had a low BABIP of .273 last year, though he is not a huge flyball hitter. The prior year, his BABIP was a relatively normal .316, and he hit .260. I therefore believe he is more of a .250 to .260 hitter than a .233 hitter.

(3) His walk rate last year was 8%. That is actually pretty decent.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?pl ... tion=1B/OF


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 Post subject: Re: Guess Who's on the Trading Block?
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It might not be a bad trade since he fills a hole and they're looking for what we're stronger in than just about anything else (maybe OF, but still, we're deep at pitcher).

He's probably a better option than anybody who is/was out there at 1B in terms of a proven track record (aside from the old guys who will come nowhere close to duplicating their numbers from their prime years). Plus he'd be cheap and you control right up until his age 30 year which is when you'd want him gone, or easy to cut loose, anyway.

Don't know that I'd love giving up Morton, maybe see if they'd take a Cumpton and Pimentel package. But, they'd know what they project out of these guys better than I would. I just wouldn't want to part with Kingham or Taillon and with McPherson and Irwin also coming back (but with little trade value) we have 4 righties knocking on the door even if we trade Cumpton and Pimentel.

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 Post subject: Re: Guess Who's on the Trading Block?
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The vast left field and the Left-Center gap actually might help him.


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 Post subject: Re: Guess Who's on the Trading Block?
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rellimie wrote:
The vast left field and the Left-Center gap actually might help him.


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 Post subject: Re: Guess Who's on the Trading Block?
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I'd keep Morton and sign Corey Hart for 1B.


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 Post subject: Re: Guess Who's on the Trading Block?
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Thought the same thing, JC, and had the same reaction when I saw that .298 OBP. He makes Pedro Alvarez look like an on-base machine. (actually looking up El Bull, you're right...they are the same person basically).

I would trade lower prospects if I could as the Angels are so desperate for pitching that they may bite. I'd prefer to keep Morton, as #youcanneverhavetoomuchpitching, but I would certainly understand if the Bucs made that move.

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 Post subject: Re: Guess Who's on the Trading Block?
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J_C_Steel wrote:
Mark Trumbo.

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The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (California, United States, Earth) have put Trumbo and Peter Bourjos on the trading block, folks. And what do they want? Pitching. What do the Pirates have? Pitching.

I was a little excited when I heard this, but then I looked at Trumbo's stats.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ma01.shtml

Basically, he's a right-handed Pedro Alvarez... who walks LESS than El Toro. That doesn't excite me. Sure, 95 home runs over three years is nice, but the .299 career OBP and bad defense at first base don't really make me do the dance of joy.

That said, it may be worth exploring. Dr. Strangeglove believes the Pirates should consider a Morton-for-Trumbo swap. That's not a bad idea if the Pirates don't foresee extending #ElectricStuff, as he'll be a free agent after the 2014 season while Trumbolicious won't hit the market until after the 2016 campaign.

http://www.drstrangeglove.com/2013/10/2 ... ake-sense/

Here's the ever-reliable Tim Williams on the idea:

http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/10 ... ching.html

Thoughts?

Don't like him much. One slugger with a sub-.300 OBP is the most any lineup should have, and we already have Pedro.

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 Post subject: Re: Guess Who's on the Trading Block?
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Believe it or not, I was going to start a Mark Trumbo thread last week. I think he is just the bat we need. He has some years of control left, I believe, so he would be here to help us in 2015 and 2016, when we figure to win.

I know he Ks a lot, but there are only 2 numbers that matter to me for him- 34 and 100. His HRs and RBIs. Don't care about his WAR or UZR at first base. He can rake.


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 Post subject: Re: Guess Who's on the Trading Block?
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If we want a guy who is average against RHP and good to very good against LHP I'd rather keep Gaby. Gaby's OPS is 78 points higher than Trumbo's against LHP over their careers and I like OBP way more than HR.

To be honest, I'd rather have Loney or Morales than Trumbo.


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 Post subject: Re: Guess Who's on the Trading Block?
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I'm not sold on Loney's one good year but Morales would be nice.

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Not a big fan of either.... 8-) 8-)


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 Post subject: Re: Guess Who's on the Trading Block?
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JollyRoger wrote:
If we want a guy who is average against RHP and good to very good against LHP I'd rather keep Gaby. Gaby's OPS is 78 points higher than Trumbo's against LHP over their careers and I like OBP way more than HR.

To be honest, I'd rather have Loney or Morales than Trumbo.


Gaby is no where close to average against righties. Just a .700 career OPS. I think someone is going to overpay Loney and I don't think Morales can be an everyday 1B. He needs an American League team that can DH him at least 3 times a week. Bucs are going to have to go the trade route and Trumbo is probably the best option available.


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 Post subject: Re: Guess Who's on the Trading Block?
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Anyone who says that Gabby Sanchez is even comparable to Mark Trumbo offensively is looking at too many obscure statistics and not watching enough baseball. Morales would be the other option, although he is older and more expensive.


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 Post subject: Re: Guess Who's on the Trading Block?
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Morales is also likely to cost a draft pick.

Maybe not as valuable as in years past where we drafted in the top 10 (though then it would have been protected), but I still trust NH to get value in the late 1st round (and don't forget the value of the slot money that comes with it).


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 Post subject: Re: Guess Who's on the Trading Block?
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doug frobel wrote:
Anyone who says that Gabby Sanchez is even comparable to Mark Trumbo offensively is looking at too many obscure statistics and not watching enough baseball. Morales would be the other option, although he is older and more expensive.



Obscure statistics like "times getting on base"?

Trumbo is better, sure, but not by the orders of magnitude that you would expect from watching his highlight reel bombs.

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 Post subject: Re: Guess Who's on the Trading Block?
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SA has it right.

Only pursue a trade if it involves lesser pieces (Cumpton, KMac, Pimentel, etc.).

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 Post subject: Re: Guess Who's on the Trading Block?
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NSMaster56 wrote:
SA has it right.

Only pursue a trade if it involves lesser pieces (Cumpton, KMac, Pimentel, etc.).


The Angels are unlikely to trade Trumbo for just prospects. They want a major-league piece.

The question becomes -- would you trade one year of Charlie Morton for three years of Mark Trumbo?


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 Post subject: Re: Guess Who's on the Trading Block?
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mjdouble wrote:
Gaby is no where close to average against righties. Just a .700 career OPS.


And Trumbo's OPS against RHP last year? .685. Let's not pretend like he's a vastly superior option because he's bad against RHP as opposed to putrid against them. Yeah, his career OPS against RHP isn't bad through three seasons, but he'll be 28 next year and with a sub-.300 OBP and 27% K rate he's likely to slip further into platoon territory.


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 Post subject: Re: Guess Who's on the Trading Block?
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doug frobel wrote:
Anyone who says that Gabby Sanchez is even comparable to Mark Trumbo offensively is looking at too many obscure statistics and not watching enough baseball.


I take it by "obscure statistics" you mean "any statistic that isn't HRs?"

They are very comparable.


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