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 Post subject: Re: NLDS Game 1: Pittsburgh Pirates @ St. Louis Cardinals
PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:08 pm 
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Does this defensive performance put Barmes on the bench tomorrow?

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 Post subject: Re: NLDS Game 1: Pittsburgh Pirates @ St. Louis Cardinals
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AZ yeah, twenty games is an exaggeration. Molina missed three weeks. He worked wonders with a lot of young pitchers this year, hit 44 doubles, could've been MVP. My bro has followed Cards since sixties.


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This has been dissatisfying thus far. Lot's of baseball left tonight and for the next few days though.

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 Post subject: Re: NLDS Game 1: Pittsburgh Pirates @ St. Louis Cardinals
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Relax guys. Typical board meltdown when we lose. If the Cards score 35 tonight, it is still only one game. This ain't fun, but if we take our lumps today and win tomorrow, all is good in Pittsburgh. I'm not losing sleep over this one, and you shouldn't either. Let's Go Bucs! Another game tomorrow.


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When I attended the three game series in St. Louis, I posted that they did not look like they were ready for the spotlight. They look exactly the same tonight. Looking very tight . . .

Clear the hard drive, re-set and go get tomorrow's game.

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 Post subject: Re: NLDS Game 1: Pittsburgh Pirates @ St. Louis Cardinals
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We lost 16-3 during a playoff series in 1960 I believe....no worries here.... 8-) 8-)


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 Post subject: Re: NLDS Game 1: Pittsburgh Pirates @ St. Louis Cardinals
PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:25 pm 
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Charleston_Charlies wrote:
Relax guys. Typical board meltdown when we lose. If the Cards score 35 tonight, it is still only one game. This ain't fun, but if we take our lumps today and win tomorrow, all is good in Pittsburgh. I'm not losing sleep over this one, and you shouldn't either. Let's Go Bucs! Another game tomorrow.


Doesn't sound like anybody's melting down. Justifiable criticism for a game terribly played and managed. Pretty much universally agreed we just needed to get one. Back at it tomorrow.


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 Post subject: Re: NLDS Game 1: Pittsburgh Pirates @ St. Louis Cardinals
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Az Bucco fan wrote:
We lost 16-3 during a playoff series in 1960 I believe....no worries here.... 8-) 8-)


12-0 in Game 6.

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 Post subject: Re: NLDS Game 1: Pittsburgh Pirates @ St. Louis Cardinals
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From the "Bright News" department . . .
1. The Cards haven't seen Gerritt Cole this year.
2. Liriano has dominated them and that game is being played at PNC.

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 Post subject: Re: NLDS Game 1: Pittsburgh Pirates @ St. Louis Cardinals
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No. 9 wrote:
From the "Bright News" department . . .
1. The Cards haven't seen Gerritt Cole this year.
2. Liriano has dominated them and that game is being played at PNC.


3. The Cards are clearly challenging the Baseball regression gods.

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 Post subject: Re: NLDS Game 1: Pittsburgh Pirates @ St. Louis Cardinals
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Charleston_Charlies wrote:
Relax guys. Typical board meltdown when we lose. If the Cards score 35 tonight, it is still only one game. This ain't fun, but if we take our lumps today and win tomorrow, all is good in Pittsburgh. I'm not losing sleep over this one, and you shouldn't either. Let's Go Bucs! Another game tomorrow.


I am just mad Hurdle didn't give them a chance. Heck, if they keep it 3-1 or even 4-1, at least you have a chance. He totally screwed the pooch. Even the announcers were dumbfounded there was nobody up in the bullpen.

Like I said earlier in thread, it wasn't like AJ was giving up bloops and dribblesr. Heck, it wasn't like he was even getting hit hard. He gave them four base runners because he couldn't throw the ball over the plate. He threw 38 strikes and 34 balls. He was behind every batter except the pitcher who he walked anyway. He walked a run in. It's one thing to stick with someone who is battling. AJ was struggling and you could see it immediately.

Hurdle is lucky there is a quick turnaround so the grilling he will get will be short-lived.

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 Post subject: Re: NLDS Game 1: Pittsburgh Pirates @ St. Louis Cardinals
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It's only one game. A.J. was missing his locations early in the game. Not by much but he wasn't hitting the edges of the plate for strikes. I could tell he was going to have a tough afternoon. The Cardinal hitters are very disciplined and will not chase bad pitches out of the strike zone very often.

You have to challenge the Cardinal hitters especially if you're missing on the edges.

We'll get them tomorrow! GO BUCS!!!!!

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Any baseball fan really has to appreciate the Cardinals' approach to hitting. Smart, disciplined group.

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 Post subject: Re: NLDS Game 1: Pittsburgh Pirates @ St. Louis Cardinals
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bassoondirector wrote:
It's only one game. A.J. was missing his locations early in the game. Not by much but he wasn't hitting the edges of the plate for strikes. I could tell he was going to have a tough afternoon. The Cardinal hitters are very disciplined and will not chase bad pitches out of the strike zone very often.

You have to challenge the Cardinal hitters especially if you're missing on the edges.

We'll get them tomorrow! GO BUCS!!!!!


I agree BD about being aggressive. The proof is in the pudding. Three players walked in 3rd. One was HBP. All four scored. You can't give away runs. You need to make the other team earn them.

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 Post subject: Re: NLDS Game 1: Pittsburgh Pirates @ St. Louis Cardinals
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Clint Hurdle just lied in his press conference. They asked if Gomez was ready when Freese came up. He said yes. No way. He got Gomez up way too late. That's the problem. You get him up and don't use him, big whoop. He never got him up so he had no choice but to let AJ try to get out of it.

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AJ getting torched on TBS post-game show. Torched.

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 Post subject: Re: NLDS Game 1: Pittsburgh Pirates @ St. Louis Cardinals
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AJ getting torched on TBS post-game show. Torched.


He should. He was awful. He was Kip Wells. If he just gets hit hard, you say he just got beat. He barely had a chance to get hit because he wouldn't throw the ball over the play and challenge hitters.

I still love the guy. Hope he is back next season. But I don't want to see him get the ball in Game 5 if we get there. I would rather see Cumpton or even Gomez. Heck, throw him in Game 4 now. His pitch count was low enough he could go on three days rest. St. Louis is a hell hole for him. He usually is pretty good in Pittsburgh.

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 Post subject: Re: NLDS Game 1: Pittsburgh Pirates @ St. Louis Cardinals
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bucco boy wrote:
Hope he is back next season.


I have, for weeks, been formulating a post-season post in my head on this very issue. I'm not sure I agree with this sentiment.

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 Post subject: Re: NLDS Game 1: Pittsburgh Pirates @ St. Louis Cardinals
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bucco boy wrote:
Hope he is back next season.


I have, for weeks, been formulating a post-season post in my head on this very issue. I'm not sure I agree with this sentiment.


Why is that? He had a career low ERA. He is a good clubhouse guy. He is not a No. 1, but he doesn't have to be. A solid No. 3 would be just fine.

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 Post subject: Re: NLDS Game 1: Pittsburgh Pirates @ St. Louis Cardinals
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RTJR wrote:
Garrett isn't going to start/play over Morneau or Gaby, so he's a bench piece, yet he doesn't offer the bat off the bench Snider does.


What if Morneau had gotten injured tonight or does tomorrow? You're comfortable basically sacrificing not having a 1B by playing Gaby against Lynn, Kelly, Miller and potentially Wainright again (all righties which Gaby has a .619 OPS against this year)? Jones and Morneau are inter-changable due to their platoon splits only hitting RHP. Leave one off of the roster and you have no back-up 1B who can actually hit the Cardinals rotation.

Also not seeing how Jones "doesn't offer the bat off" off the bench that Snider does since Jones is better in every offensive category (including actually having a proven past career in the league which Snider does not). If you're just referring to his numbers as a PH ... yeah, Snider had a couple late season PH HRs, but hit just .205 overall as a PH and struck out 12 times in that role (plus once more in the WCG) to go along with his 26% K rate on the year. Not the type of numbers that warrant a playoff roster start.


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