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 Post subject: Explain why the heck would Andrew stay down.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:41 pm 
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It makes no sense to leave McCutchen in the minors. He is 22 years old. He is not getting any more developed or experienced hitting against AAA pitchers. We need a legitimate outfielder and a right handed bat. Why not bring him up and give him a shot. The Pirates fan base is at all time lows, they need a face of the organization to step up not leave him tied into AAA.

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This team will lose with or without him. Some of us want to see what we can get with other guys. McCutcheon is a known commodity.


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Ryann wrote:
He is 22 years old. He is not getting any more developed or experienced hitting against AAA pitchers.


These two comments seem to contradict each other.

Actually, its premature to bring him up. He had an ok season in AAA, but nothing that would indicate hes ready for the big leagues or that theres nothing more to be learned down there. Second, given how bad we'll be in '09, whats the rush?

This is a very valuable commodity, to be treated carefully. Better to err on the side of caution.


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see Jose Castillo.

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 Post subject: Re: Explain why the heck would Andrew stay down.
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What is it about McCutchen's .770 OPS last year in AAA that tells you he is ready now for the majors?


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 Post subject: Re: Explain why the heck would Andrew stay down.
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Some players perform better in the majors then in the minors. He needs to get experienced for when this team can be able to compete.

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Ryann wrote:
He needs to get experienced for when this team can be able to compete.


Right. And since our playoff run is imminent, we'd better get him up to the majors by April the latest...

:shock: :shock: :shock:


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urbanexplorer wrote:
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This team will lose with or without him. Some of us want to see what we can get with other guys. McCutcheon is a known commodity.


Oh you mean like Chad Hermensen in 2000? No prospect is ever a "known commodity." Ron Wright anyone?


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Corsair wrote:
urbanexplorer wrote:
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This team will lose with or without him. Some of us want to see what we can get with other guys. McCutcheon is a known commodity.


Oh you mean like Chad Hermensen in 2000? No prospect is ever a "known commodity." Ron Wright anyone?


I believe Urban meant within the boundries of his current circumstance. I dont think he was making a prediction. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Explain why the heck would Andrew stay down.
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A hitter is totally diffrent then any pitcher. Many other teams get their top level talent up quick...look at florida they have cameron maybin in the majors. He had is feet wet last year now he could be a huge piece of their team. Just cause another prospect 8 years ago failed doesnt mean another much more talented one shouldnt get the promotion he deserves. Then another one is Neil Walker he should get a serious shot at the majors as well.

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Andrew will be up the same Longoria was up, sometime after the first month(I think). I don't know exactly how it works, but it saves an option year for the Pirates so that we get to keep him longer. Somebody could explain much better than I.


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By keeping McCutcheon down for the first few weeks of the season, the Pirates save a year on his major league service clock. This is what the Rays did with Longoria last season, and is likely what the O's will do with Wieters this year.

As has already been pointed out, though, the jury's still out on whether Cutch is ML-ready. Unless he completely lights up spring training, he might not come up until after the ASB, if at all.

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If he is called up the same time longoria was i will have no problem...but if they are waiting until september...

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Ryann wrote:
Just cause another prospect 8 years ago failed doesnt mean another much more talented one shouldnt get the promotion he deserves. Then another one is Neil Walker he should get a serious shot at the majors as well.


Thats the point. Neither Cutch nor Walker yet deserve it.


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McCutchen is close though, if he continues to play the way he did at the end of last year when he settled down at the plate and started being patient again. A trait he lost on his move to AAA, probably too fast.

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I dont have a problem letting Andrew get regular at bats at AAA if all he is for the Pirates on Opening Day is nothing more than a 4th OFer, but if he shows he is ready and clearly better than anyone else deemed a starter in the OF, then let him start...

He must keep getting regular atbats and not sit...

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ZelieMike wrote:
McCutchen is close though, if he continues to play the way he did at the end of last year when he settled down at the plate and started being patient again. A trait he lost on his move to AAA, probably too fast.

ZM


Agreed. As a projected top of the order hitter, McCutcheon needs to recapture some of the plate discipline he had in the lower minors. He may be pressing, or as Mike said, he may have needed a little more time in Altoona.


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 Post subject: Re: Explain why the heck would Andrew stay down.
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I would still like to know whats really to be gained by bringing him up a few months earlier than conservatism would dictate. What are the tangible benefits to a late April call up vs a post Break callup? How does he benefit, how do we, in a way thats somehow different than if we waited.


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