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 Post subject: The "other" series
PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:09 pm 
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Sorry about the new thread val... ;)

Reds 6 Cards 2 - bottom of 7. Another tough outing for Wainwright.

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No. 9 wrote:
Another tough outing for Wainwright.


His last two outings against the Reds have likely taken him out of the NL Cy Young picture. Not that anyone likely catches Kershaw, but he was right in the mix of the next 4-5 pitchers with Matt Harvey's injury. Probably tough for Cardinals fans to swallow, both teams still think of themselves as a rivalry due to the bench-clearing incident they had at GABP two years back, Phillips still gets routinely boo'ed there for comments he made on social media, etc.


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He's just coming off TJ and Matheny has handled him terribly. Had 2 games well over 100 pitches against the Pirates, can only imagine what he went through in other games. Wouldn't surprise me if he has some arm fatigue (at best).

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Game one to the Reds.

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Reds taking 2 of 3 would be great IMO. As much as I'd love the Cards buried, the Reds scare me too so I don't want them to gain much ground either.

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Pretty sure that Wainwright pitched all of 2012 and rehabbed in 2011.

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Ah sh*t, yep that's right. Don't know why I thought they didn't see him last year. Only remember Lynn, Westbrook, Garcia, Lohse, Kelly. Totally missed him somehow.

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StarlingArcher wrote:
Reds taking 2 of 3 would be great IMO. As much as I'd love the Cards buried, the Reds scare me too so I don't want them to gain much ground either.


It's still the Reds I worry about most. Given that it's September I could very well be proven wrong, but my opinion hasn't changed since coming into the season that I predicted the Reds were the perennial division favorites, especially with the Choo acquisition. Granted a few significant things happened to weaken them - Ludwick missing five months (I highly doubt he repeats last year, but never know with GABP), Frazier tanking after his promising rookie year, and Cueto's health issues. But with their pitching (Leake's surprising year and Cingrani's promotion) I still think they had the better team despite St. Louis's unsustainable RISP magic. To me I'm fully rooting for the Cardinals to keep it a 2-team race despite that they're the one we're currently battling for first.


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Reds / Cards is a four game set. Then Dodgers play in Cincinnati while the Pirates/Cards play in St. Louis.

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No. 9 wrote:
Reds / Cards is a four game set. Then Dodgers play in Cincinnati while the Pirates/Cards play in St. Louis.


This. I was hoping for great stuff out of Morton today and he gave the bucs that. Hold on today and with Liriano in the mix this series hope for a minimum 2 out of 3. A sweep and 82 would be great. Who hasn't thought about that?

Meanwhile the reds take care of business, a split our 3 of 4 and that would give the bucs some room for the time being.

Dodgers take it the reds, the bucs hammer the cards for a series win and like that more head room as the cards settle in for a cake walk finish home.


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 Post subject: Re: The "other" series
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Cards are faltering. Reds are good but its the Pirates that everyone should be worried about. They have the best team in the division.


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TheShark wrote:
StarlingArcher wrote:
Reds taking 2 of 3 would be great IMO. As much as I'd love the Cards buried, the Reds scare me too so I don't want them to gain much ground either.


It's still the Reds I worry about most. Given that it's September I could very well be proven wrong, but my opinion hasn't changed since coming into the season that I predicted the Reds were the perennial division favorites, especially with the Choo acquisition. Granted a few significant things happened to weaken them - Ludwick missing five months (I highly doubt he repeats last year, but never know with GABP), Frazier tanking after his promising rookie year, and Cueto's health issues. But with their pitching (Leake's surprising year and Cingrani's promotion) I still think they had the better team despite St. Louis's unsustainable RISP magic. To me I'm fully rooting for the Cardinals to keep it a 2-team race despite that they're the one we're currently battling for first.


Yeah GABP terrifies me. 2 of the biggest holes on the Reds, Frazier and Cozart, have some pop so if they run into one they can hurt you....especially at GABP. I think they always have potential to do damage because they're definitely a big-play type of offense. Plus the staff is really darn good, and deep too.

The Cards strike me as kind of baseball's version of the West Coast offense. They just dink and dunk you to death with a bunch of singles and ground balls through holes, but you can definitely contain them with a solid defense. They'll have lucky games where they find a bunch of holes, but the Pirates have had solid success against them largely due to the defense.

Their RISP numbers are coming back to earth a bit (and should continue to with a ridiculous .381 BABIP), which combined with the pitching kind of faltering gives some hope....but they're just always good enough to make you nervous. Although, Matheny's not much to write home about managerially so at least there's that.

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 Post subject: Re: The "other" series
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Ralphie wrote:
Cards are faltering. Reds are good but its the Pirates that everyone should be worried about. They have the best team in the division.


ACTUALLY, if you look at the splits, adjust for parks and break down the OPS+... ;) :D

Just kidding.

Screw it all! As someone alluded to earlier this season, "WE are the ones that knock!"

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Game 2: Top 5 - no score

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Reds 1 Cards 0 final


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 Post subject: Re: The "other" series
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Chapman touches 103 four times in the 9th. Going to be a helluva dash to the finish.


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RoxyChar wrote:
Chapman touches 103 four times in the 9th. Going to be a helluva dash to the finish.


Nitpicking, but be weary of GABP's radar gun. Chapman obviously throws extremely hard and regularly hits triple digits. But GABP has been known to exaggerate his pitch speeds and inflate them by 3-4 mph in the past. One incident specifically happened against the Pirates two years ago. Chapman supposedly threw 106 (I believe) on a pitch that came up and in on McCutchen which was reported as breaking the record for the fastest pitch recorded in the MLB. Others reported that the speed Cincinnati posted was about 4 mph higher than the mph on MLB and ESPN's Gameday zones. Living in Cincinnati, I have seen this happen other times as well. Again, it's nitpicking, not taking anything away from Chapman. But this being a big series against their rival St. Louis, it wouldn't surprise me if they ramped up those numbers a little bit.


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TheShark wrote:
RoxyChar wrote:
Chapman touches 103 four times in the 9th. Going to be a helluva dash to the finish.


Nitpicking, but be weary of GABP's radar gun. Chapman obviously throws extremely hard and regularly hits triple digits. But GABP has been known to exaggerate his pitch speeds and inflate them by 3-4 mph in the past. One incident specifically happened against the Pirates two years ago. Chapman supposedly threw 106 (I believe) on a pitch that came up and in on McCutchen which was reported as breaking the record for the fastest pitch recorded in the MLB. Others reported that the speed Cincinnati posted was about 4 mph higher than the mph on MLB and ESPN's Gameday zones. Living in Cincinnati, I have seen this happen other times as well. Again, it's nitpicking, not taking anything away from Chapman. But this being a big series against their rival St. Louis, it wouldn't surprise me if they ramped up those numbers a little bit.


That would not surprise me in the least.


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 Post subject: Re: The "other" series
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Just looked at weekend match-ups. Reds draw Ryu, Greinke and Kershaw. Most outstanding.

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TheShark wrote:

Nitpicking, but be weary of GABP's radar gun. Chapman obviously throws extremely hard and regularly hits triple digits. But GABP has been known to exaggerate his pitch speeds and inflate them by 3-4 mph in the past. One incident specifically happened against the Pirates two years ago. Chapman supposedly threw 106 (I believe) on a pitch that came up and in on McCutchen which was reported as breaking the record for the fastest pitch recorded in the MLB. Others reported that the speed Cincinnati posted was about 4 mph higher than the mph on MLB and ESPN's Gameday zones. Living in Cincinnati, I have seen this happen other times as well. Again, it's nitpicking, not taking anything away from Chapman. But this being a big series against their rival St. Louis, it wouldn't surprise me if they ramped up those numbers a little bit.


Guess that's what happens when you set the outfield walls 50 feet from home plate. Damn radar rays bouncing around the park!

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