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 Post subject: Cuban First Baseman?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:16 pm 
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Jose Dariel Abreu just defected from Cuba. Who's that, you ask? Well, he's a 26-year-old right-handed power-hitting monster who set records in Cuba, and he's now set for a pretty big payday sometime in the next few months. To wit:

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/ ... u-defects/

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2013/8/12/4 ... fects-cuba

http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/2013/08/1 ... he-winter/

What does this have to do with the Pittsburgh Baseball Club? Well, the Pirates could non-tender Garrett Jones and/or Gaby Sanchez, saving some money, and throw their hat in the ring for a middle-of-the-order Cuban bat along the lines of Yoenes Cespedes and Yasiel Puig. It would take some green (6 years and $70 million or so, by some accounts), but quite a bit less than an "established" free agent (which was Oakland's thought in signing Cespedes).

I'd be all for this. The Pirates need another very good bat if they're going to continue to contend in the coming years, and adding Abreu to McCutchen, Marte, Alvarez, Walker, Polanco, and Hanson could help create a better offense than we've seen since the early '90s.

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Beat me to it, J_C_. This would be HUGE. I say they should go for it for all it's worth. I thought he was a left-handed bat...


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There are a few positions that do not have obvious answers for the middle/long term. First base is one of those. Unless you want to count on Dickerson to be the answer, this is a much cheaper option than a traditional free agent with a similar skill set.

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 Post subject: Re: Cuban First Baseman?
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I was hoping they'd make some sort of offer when I read about the guy. 6 years/$70 mil is quite a bit, though. But I guess that's the going rate.

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 Post subject: Re: Cuban First Baseman?
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Ah, dare to dream. What if the Pirates' July 2014 lineup looked like this?

LF Marte
RF Polanco (L)
CF McCutchen
3B Alvarez (L)
1B Abreu
2B Walker (S)
C Martin
SS Mercer
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 Post subject: Re: Cuban First Baseman?
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From what I have read about him, I agree. Some said he was not a great athlete ("I'm not an athlete, I'm a baseball player."-John Kruk) and compared him to Ryan Howard as if that were a bad thing; others said he may be the best hitter on the planet.


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SUPERCHARGED APE wrote:
I was hoping they'd make some sort of offer when I read about the guy. 6 years/$70 mil is quite a bit, though. But I guess that's the going rate.


Still a LOT less than a true free agent. It's a risk, but the potential reward is a middle-of-the-order power hitter in his prime...


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Always have to question the 'true age', but otherwise why not?

Fits a need, has potential and might favor coming to a team with a pretty good track record with Latin American players.

Worth the risk(s).

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Might have to overpay to outbid the big boys.


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 Post subject: Re: Cuban First Baseman?
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J_C_Steel wrote:
Ah, dare to dream. What if the Pirates' July 2014 lineup looked like this?

LF Marte
RF Polanco (L)
CF McCutchen
3B Alvarez (L)
1B Abreu
2B Walker (S)
C Martin
SS Mercer
P


That's 100 wins, right there, if the pitching stays healthy.


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 Post subject: Re: Cuban First Baseman?
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He hit a grand slam in the WBC. this kid would be a great addition.


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 Post subject: Re: Cuban First Baseman?
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From ESPN (Jim Bowden):

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/the-gms ... st?id=7439

It's paid content, so I can't cut-and-paste it here, but these are the scouts' aggregate grades for Jose Abreu:

Hit: 70
Power: 70
Glove: 50
Run: 40
Arm: 50


Bowden says he expects Abreu to sign a contract in the range of 6 years, $54 million. If I'm the Pirates, I'd go a bit north of that to grab him.


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 Post subject: Re: Cuban First Baseman?
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I'm with you. These guys seem to working out well for MLB teams at just about every signing. Book is still open on Soler but Cespedes, Chapman and Puig have all been very good. Even when Cespedes struggles at the plate he plays great D.

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SUPERCHARGED APE wrote:
I'm with you. These guys seem to working out well for MLB teams at just about every signing. Book is still open on Soler but Cespedes, Chapman and Puig have all been very good. Even when Cespedes struggles at the plate he plays great D.


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NSMaster56 wrote:
Always have to question the 'true age', but otherwise why not?

Fits a need, has potential and might favor coming to a team with a pretty good track record with Latin American players.

Worth the risk(s).


I thought the Age of Cuban players was pretty accurate for the most part? I could be wrong....


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SUPERCHARGED APE wrote:
I was hoping they'd make some sort of offer when I read about the guy. 6 years/$70 mil is quite a bit, though. But I guess that's the going rate.


that would be a great deal for a quality 1st baseman...assuming he is as advertised.


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rellimie wrote:
SUPERCHARGED APE wrote:
I was hoping they'd make some sort of offer when I read about the guy. 6 years/$70 mil is quite a bit, though. But I guess that's the going rate.


that would be a great deal for a quality 1st baseman...assuming he is as advertised.


You can't get a great hitter who also hits for power at that price on the free agent market. These are the kinds of risks the GM of a team like the Pirates should take.

For the record, I have not read a single article that suggests the Pirates are interested in signing Jose Dariel Abreu. I just hope they're laying low and waiting to swoop in with an offer.


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J_C_Steel wrote:
rellimie wrote:
SUPERCHARGED APE wrote:
I was hoping they'd make some sort of offer when I read about the guy. 6 years/$70 mil is quite a bit, though. But I guess that's the going rate.


that would be a great deal for a quality 1st baseman...assuming he is as advertised.


You can't get a great hitter who also hits for power at that price on the free agent market. These are the kinds of risks the GM of a team like the Pirates should take.

For the record, I have not read a single article that suggests the Pirates are interested in signing Jose Dariel Abreu. I just hope they're laying low and waiting to swoop in with an offer.


Well it's a done deal, I just crated him on my Pirates MLB The Show Franchise


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J_C_Steel wrote:
rellimie wrote:
SUPERCHARGED APE wrote:
I was hoping they'd make some sort of offer when I read about the guy. 6 years/$70 mil is quite a bit, though. But I guess that's the going rate.


that would be a great deal for a quality 1st baseman...assuming he is as advertised.


You can't get a great hitter who also hits for power at that price on the free agent market. These are the kinds of risks the GM of a team like the Pirates should take.

For the record, I have not read a single article that suggests the Pirates are interested in signing Jose Dariel Abreu. I just hope they're laying low and waiting to swoop in with an offer.


Nor can you get a 26 year old who's a great hitter and also hits for power on the free agent market.


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J_C_Steel wrote:
You can't get a great hitter who also hits for power at that price on the free agent market. These are the kinds of risks the GM of a team like the Pirates should take.

For the record, I have not read a single article that suggests the Pirates are interested in signing Jose Dariel Abreu. I just hope they're laying low and waiting to swoop in with an offer.

Does this even sound anything like the MO for Huntington? Even if the kid had a proven track record? No way does this front office sign this guy for anything like this kind of money....


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