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 Post subject: Dave Parker has Parkinson's
PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:49 am 
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Wow, this is a punch to the gut.

http://triblive.com/sports/joestarkey/4480502-74/parker-parkinson-pirates#axzz2bBvUri86

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 Post subject: Re: Dave Parker has Parkinson's
PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:58 am 
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Well, that's a downer, a heck of a way to open the day on the board.

Easily my favorite Pirate to watch.

But, he seems to be in as good a place as one can be to begin his battle with Parkinsons.


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 Post subject: Re: Dave Parker has Parkinson's
PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:11 pm 
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A shame.

Tremendous baseball player. For those of you on the board too young to have seen him play, he was one of the most feared players in all of baseball. Power. Speed. Hit for average. One of the best arms you will ever see. He belongs in the Hall of Fame. Wonder what his career might have been without the alleged drug use!

But he can live with this. Needs to watch Michael J Fox!

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 Post subject: Re: Dave Parker has Parkinson's
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He belongs in the Hall of Fame.



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 Post subject: Re: Dave Parker has Parkinson's
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sad news to be sure, such a great bucco.

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 Post subject: Re: Dave Parker has Parkinson's
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If I was "King of The Hall of Fame," the induction criteria would be something along the lines of "must be a dominant player at his position for a period of 10 years." Yes, "dominant" is subject to many different interpretations but that is how I would judge. I'd also give strong consideration to a player who does not "dominate" a particular position over 10 years but who is a "significant contributor" over a period of 20 years. Unlike others, I believe that there is a place for longevity even if they were not "dominant" for a period of 10 years. However, the player would have to be a "significant contributor" over the long haul to achieve "longevity" consideration.

The Cobra was my favorite player growing up. Trying to set my bias aside, although its not a "no brainer" decision, I can make an argument that, based upon his on field performance in 1975-1980, 1984-1987 and in 1989-1990, he would meet my 10 year requirement as being a dominant player at his position. My hesitation involves his playing a position that demands large offensive output and, as such, some of those years are close calls as to whether he was truly "dominant" at his position.

Close call. If he was a Yankee, he'd be in.

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 Post subject: Re: Dave Parker has Parkinson's
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online I agree. I always thought the same. dominate your position over 10 years. that give you 5 years early, and 5 years late to be average or average plus. in those 10 years that would mean being an all star 7-8 times, post season all american or national league 1st or 2nd team 7-8 times, top 5 in mvp 3-5 times, gold glove maybe etc etc. I like your 20 year also, which may help someone like Omar Visquel who was up aganst Ripken etc while he was playing.


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 Post subject: Re: Dave Parker has Parkinson's
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I feel bad for the man, and in the idea that "time heals all wounds" school of thought he has come back into the good graces of the Bucco faithful, and for the record I don't believe anyone should have hurled batteries at any human being,


but............................

I still have a bad taste in my mouth with how this guy left us and let us down.

He signed one of the first million dollar guaranteed contracts.

He did drugs, which affected his weight, attitude and performance

He brought drug dealers into the clubhouse.

He then got his act together for Marge Schott's Reds.

Don't count me 100% in the Pro-Parker camp!


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 Post subject: Re: Dave Parker has Parkinson's
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Really sad. He never gets the credit that a Clemente or Stargell gets. But Dave Parker was a dominant player in the 70s. Back to back battingbtitles in 77 and 78 and was a huge part of the 79 team that won the world series. His rhrow in the 79 all star in seattle is an all time classic.His last few years with the pirates he became overweight and was very inconsistent. Some say it was due to his drug use. But he revived his career in the 80s with the reds and a's. The guy played 18 years.

The bucs fans never embraced Parker for whatever reason. He had the flashy jewelry wtc. My favorite bucs growing up were Parker, madlock and mike easier.

Wish him well.


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 Post subject: Re: Dave Parker has Parkinson's
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One of my all-time favorites. The Cobra.

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 Post subject: Re: Dave Parker has Parkinson's
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I wish him the best too but as far as the hall of fame he falls short. It is not the hall of very good. There are some guys with his numbers in Cooperstown and they don't belong there either.

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Has there EVER been another player that won the MVP of the All Star Game with his arm?

I think not.



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 Post subject: Re: Dave Parker has Parkinson's
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Thanks for that vS.

God, I miss Gary Carter....


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 Post subject: Re: Dave Parker has Parkinson's
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VanSlick wrote:
Has there EVER been another player that won the MVP of the All Star Game with his arm?

I think not.



I remember that game like it was yesterday and also remember my eyes nearly bugging out of my head on the second throw.

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 Post subject: Re: Dave Parker has Parkinson's
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It's funny though...had Parker not misplayed the Rice ball, he would not have had to gun him out at 3b! LOL

That throw reminds me of the one the Clemente made in the '71 series to 3b. (although that did not result in an out!)

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 Post subject: Re: Dave Parker has Parkinson's
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Corsair wrote:
I still have a bad taste in my mouth with how this guy left us and let us down.

He signed one of the first million dollar guaranteed contracts.

He did drugs, which affected his weight, attitude and performance

He brought drug dealers into the clubhouse.

He then got his act together for Marge Schott's Reds.


I feel like your assessment is being awfully dismissive of his actual career with the Pirates. As to criticizing him for leaving the Pirates, he spent an extremely impressive 11 years with the Pirates, and that's where he had his MVP, league-leading OPS year in '78, and won a batting title the year before. It's hard for me to say he "let us down" when he helped the Pirates win a World Series and several playoff appearances. And, I think there is some inground between your first and fourth points. Signing with Cincinnati (his hometown) might have had a few "starting fresh" variables in it as well considering the drug controversy he got caught up in during his last years with the Pirates.


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 Post subject: Re: Dave Parker has Parkinson's
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TheShark wrote:
Corsair wrote:
I still have a bad taste in my mouth with how this guy left us and let us down.

He signed one of the first million dollar guaranteed contracts.

He did drugs, which affected his weight, attitude and performance

He brought drug dealers into the clubhouse.

He then got his act together for Marge Schott's Reds.


I feel like your assessment is being awfully dismissive of his actual career with the Pirates. As to criticizing him for leaving the Pirates, he spent an extremely impressive 11 years with the Pirates, and that's where he had his MVP, league-leading OPS year in '78, and won a batting title the year before. It's hard for me to say he "let us down" when he helped the Pirates win a World Series and several playoff appearances. And, I think there is some inground between your first and fourth points. Signing with Cincinnati (his hometown) might have had a few "starting fresh" variables in it as well considering the drug controversy he got caught up in during his last years with the Pirates.



No, I am not. He was one of my favorite players of all time but the relationship soured. Once again, big contract, did drugs, gained weight, didn't care. Let's look at his performance and how his numbers fell after the drugs and the guaranteed money. Also actively brought drug dealer into lockerroom.


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 Post subject: Re: Dave Parker has Parkinson's
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I've been out for a few months. This news saddens me. Dave Parker was my guy back in the day.
I was crushed when he left us.. but this guy had it all.. seemed super human at times.

Dave Parker hit the cover of a ball in an exhibition came against the Cardinals in the mid seventies.
I remember feeling a sense of comfort when # 39 came to the plate during games.

Went to Three Rivers for a game in 1986.. the Reds bus waited for him to leave the stadium after
the game. Took his picture when he came out.. can't find it now. I also saw Bob Walk get into a
beat up station wagon after that game.


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 Post subject: Re: Dave Parker has Parkinson's
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A shame.

Tremendous baseball player. For those of you on the board too young to have seen him play, he was one of the most feared players in all of baseball. Power. Speed. Hit for average. One of the best arms you will ever see. He belongs in the Hall of Fame. Wonder what his career might have been without the alleged drug use!

But he can live with this. Needs to watch Michael J Fox!

His career would have been the same, as it was his knee problems that caused his bad years, not the coke.

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 Post subject: Re: Dave Parker has Parkinson's
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Not to make a joke in a poor taste but I'm shaking like I have Parkinson's right now.

I know I know.

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