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 Post subject: Bucs 30-17 Vs NL Central
PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:11 am 
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hard to believe 2/3 of the season is in the books... here's a look at how the bucs have fared against each opponent, division and league plus a summary of remaining games. the bucs' 30-17 record vs the nlc coupled with their 12-5 record against the american league accounts for 20 of their 23 games above .500. the nl west hasn't been a picnic for the bucs but hopefully 17 games remaining against the struggling rockies, giants and padres will make the year-end record against this division look a little better than it does now. go bucs!

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Just looking at the schedule, 24 of the remaining 55 games are against the Cubs, Brewers, Padres, and Giants. If that doesn't make you excited, you might be dead.


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RTJR, we just took 4 from the Cards but lost 2 of 3 against the Marlins. I understand what you are saying but the strength of schedule can't be looked at totally based on the record. It has a lot to do with injuries of us and them, intangibles of how hot or cold they are when we play them etc. I just want wins! Last year we got killed by Houston down the stretch if I recall correctly. To quote Al Davis - Just win baby!

I love how I am talking about 90 wins instead of the bleak thought of avoiding 100 losses.

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If the Bucs go 51-4, they can tie 2001 Seattle for the best reg. season record ever!

(how awesome is that record that the MLB team with the best record so far in 2013 has to go 51 and freaking 4 to tie it?)

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hebner20 wrote:
RTJR, we just took 4 from the Cards but lost 2 of 3 against the Marlins. I understand what you are saying but the strength of schedule can't be looked at totally based on the record. It has a lot to do with injuries of us and them, intangibles of how hot or cold they are when we play them etc. I just want wins! Last year we got killed by Houston down the stretch if I recall correctly. To quote Al Davis - Just win baby!

I love how I am talking about 90 wins instead of the bleak thought of avoiding 100 losses.



Yeah and let's remember that the Padres were one of the two teams that kept us from .500 last year. (2-16) against them and the Brewers! No sure things.


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SUPERCHARGED APE wrote:
If the Bucs go 51-4, they can tie 2001 Seattle for the best reg. season record ever!

(how awesome is that record that the MLB team with the best record so far in 2013 has to go 51 and freaking 4 to tie it?)

at the start of august the 2001 mariners were 76-30 (.717) and a whopping 46 games above .500, which is twice as many games above .500 as our 2013 bucs, mind boggling. equally amazing is that the mariners managed to keep it up as they finished the remainder of the season with a 40-16 (.714) record. however the yanks have the mariners beat in terns of record at the start of august - in 1998 the yanks owned a 76-27 (.738) record and were 49 games above .500 on 08/01. and like the mariners they kept it up in their remaining games finishing 38-21 (.644), not quite the finish the mariners had, but pretty close. all told the yanks finished 1998 with a 114-48 (.704) record while the mariners booked a 116-46 (.716) record, mama mia... anyway, as good as the bucs 08/01/2013 record is, it ranks 47th of 54 when it comes to the highest 08/01 records dating back to 1960.


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hebner20 wrote:
I understand what you are saying but the strength of schedule can't be looked at totally based on the record. It has a lot to do with injuries of us and them, intangibles of how hot or cold they are when we play them etc.


A most excellent observation.
It isn't lost on me that the Bucs have caught the Cardinals at a good time. They aren't hitting on all cylinders - not even close. Fortuitous for the good guys. Its about time that they caught a break.

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In the "not a break" category is the fact that it appears the Pirates will have to face both Henderson Alvarez and Jose Fernandez during the upcoming three-game set with the Marlins next week. Those guys are tough.


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Or maybe, just maybe, the Cards have been doing it with smoke and mirrors? Not that they are a bad team, or should have losing record mind you, but that they have taken on this almost esoteric "goodness" that maybe they really aren't.

I've heard some folks argue that their pitching really will come back to earth. That they don't play good enough defense, and most interestingly, that all these back of the draft pack minor league replacements are not all that and that. They may be moderate talents playing a bit over their heads, rather than the next Albert Pujols'.

Food for thought.

The team that is catching my eye right now is Tampa. Will they EVER lose again?

ZM

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ZelieMike wrote:
The team that is catching my eye right now is Tampa. Will they EVER lose again?

ZM


ESPN says, regardless of their record they are losers when it comes to the Yankee/Red Sox Divison.

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tprothro wrote:
SUPERCHARGED APE wrote:
2001 Seattle

the 2001 mariners


Guys, please don't remind me about them...

Just... please.

Ugh.

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What makes yous' guys happier right now:

7-2 vs. STL
or
9-4 vs. MIL

???

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hebner20 wrote:
RTJR, we just took 4 from the Cards but lost 2 of 3 against the Marlins. I understand what you are saying but the strength of schedule can't be looked at totally based on the record. It has a lot to do with injuries of us and them, intangibles of how hot or cold they are when we play them etc. I just want wins! Last year we got killed by Houston down the stretch if I recall correctly. To quote Al Davis - Just win baby!

I love how I am talking about 90 wins instead of the bleak thought of avoiding 100 losses.


Last year is last year. We actually won a series in Miller Park this season.

We have another series coming up shortly with the Marlins but I did not include them because I do not think they're a bad team. They started out really terribly but they've had a winning record the past two months.

The other teams mentioned, however, are just bad this season. True, the Pirates could hit a snag and lose, but we can all agree the odds of winning those games are much higher than against the Rangers, Reds, Cardinals, or D-Backs.


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The Marlins with Jose Fernandez pitching are one of the better teams in the league.

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NSMaster56 wrote:
What makes yous' guys happier right now:

7-2 vs. STL
or
9-4 vs. MIL

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Yes.


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ZelieMike wrote:
Or maybe, just maybe, the Cards have been doing it with smoke and mirrors? Not that they are a bad team, or should have losing record mind you, but that they have taken on this almost esoteric "goodness" that maybe they really aren't.

I've heard some folks argue that their pitching really will come back to earth. That they don't play good enough defense, and most interestingly, that all these back of the draft pack minor league replacements are not all that and that. They may be moderate talents playing a bit over their heads, rather than the next Albert Pujols'.

Food for thought.

The team that is catching my eye right now is Tampa. Will they EVER lose again?

ZM


Not to mention the Cards .333 TEAM average w/RISP, which I believe was .340ish when they came into town.

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donburgh wrote:
ZelieMike wrote:
Or maybe, just maybe, the Cards have been doing it with smoke and mirrors? Not that they are a bad team, or should have losing record mind you, but that they have taken on this almost esoteric "goodness" that maybe they really aren't.

I've heard some folks argue that their pitching really will come back to earth. That they don't play good enough defense, and most interestingly, that all these back of the draft pack minor league replacements are not all that and that. They may be moderate talents playing a bit over their heads, rather than the next Albert Pujols'.

Food for thought.

The team that is catching my eye right now is Tampa. Will they EVER lose again?

ZM




Not to mention the Cards .333 TEAM average w/RISP, which I believe was .340ish when they came into town.


.338 as of Sunday's game


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 Post subject: Re: Bucs 30-17 Vs NL Central
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There is no way that the Cardinals can maintain a .338 BA with RISP.

It is very unlikely that the Pirates continue to hit a woeful .224 with RISP.

Those regressions favor the Pirates.

Also, in watching Mujica, the Cardinals' closer, he is due for regression. His BABIP is an unsustainable .228, more than 60 points below his career average and where the Cards defense is not very good. He has danced between the raindrops several times recently ... his 91 mph fastball and good luck will regress soon.

Very soon.


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NSMaster56 wrote:
What makes yous' guys happier right now:

7-2 vs. STL
or
9-4 vs. MIL

???

7-2 vs. STL.

Milwaukee is a non-entity.

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 Post subject: Re: Bucs 30-17 Vs NL Central
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Bucfan wrote:
There is no way that the Cardinals can maintain a .338 BA with RISP.

the bucs are on the flip side of that equation with a scorchingly low, league leading .210 opponent ba with risp, can they maintain?


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