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 Post subject: Re: July 8, 2013 A's (52-37) at Pirates (53-34)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:05 pm 
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StarlingArcher wrote:
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2 Runners stranded in scoring position again.


It's almost like our offensive woes can't all be pinned on one person or position....


I have been on that point for a while. Outside of Inge and Barmes (I know he has a hit tonight) no one is horrible. It's just there is no consistency from the majority and it is always hot or cold and little in between. That makes its it awful tough to upgrade a lineup because you don't know who to replace.


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 Post subject: Re: July 8, 2013 A's (52-37) at Pirates (53-34)
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StarlingArcher wrote:
I would say the clamoring to upgrade RF and replacing Inge is pretty much representative of that.

It's a mediocre offense, there's no fix.


Trust me this would not be a better place if the armchair hypothetical trades and acquisitions were spread out across every position.


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 Post subject: Re: July 8, 2013 A's (52-37) at Pirates (53-34)
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MoTownWV wrote:
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2 Runners stranded in scoring position again.


It's almost like our offensive woes can't all be pinned on one person or position....


I have been on that point for a while. Outside of Inge and Barmes (I know he has a hit tonight) no one is horrible. It's just there is no consistency from the majority and it is always hot or cold and little in between. That makes its it awful tough to upgrade a lineup because you don't know who to replace.


I agree. It wasn't a comment directed at you, more just a general observation with your point being a good one to build the observation off of.

Replacing a bench bat isn't going to suddenly turn us around and it's hilarious the crusades people will go on against certain players.

Fort's not that good. Inge isn't that good. Barmes isn't that good. Mercer isn't that good. Snider isn't that good. They're all back-up or platoon type players, replacing them isn't going to fix a whole lot.

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 Post subject: Re: July 8, 2013 A's (52-37) at Pirates (53-34)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:11 pm 
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Patience at the plate is usually a good thing, but Bartolo doesn't walk many batters.

Pirates going to need to pick their spots better to score runs vs. Colon.

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 Post subject: Re: July 8, 2013 A's (52-37) at Pirates (53-34)
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 Post subject: Re: July 8, 2013 A's (52-37) at Pirates (53-34)
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If the pictures posted were a jeopardy question, the answer is bobby Bonilla is the lone non-juicer. Read a good bit of the Mitchell report over the weekend and it made me sick.

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 Post subject: Re: July 8, 2013 A's (52-37) at Pirates (53-34)
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Funny. "Mediocre" is about how I'd describe the San Francisco Giants' offense last year. Yet they managed to win a World Series...


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 Post subject: Re: July 8, 2013 A's (52-37) at Pirates (53-34)
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J_C_Steel wrote:
Funny. "Mediocre" is about how I'd describe the San Francisco Giants' offense last year. Yet they managed to win a World Series...


San Fransico was 11th in MLB in runs scored per game in 2012 with 4.42.

We are 24th in 2014 at 3.92 almost a half run per game less than San Fran last year.


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 Post subject: Re: July 8, 2013 A's (52-37) at Pirates (53-34)
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MoTownWV wrote:
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Funny. "Mediocre" is about how I'd describe the San Francisco Giants' offense last year. Yet they managed to win a World Series...


San Fransico was 11th in MLB in runs scored per game in 2012 with 4.42.

We are 24th in 2014 at 3.92 almost a half run per game less than San Fran last year.


Soooo are we back to wanting to acquire Giancarlo Stanton? Because we have a gaping hole when it comes to a guy capable of putting up a Buster Posey-esque .967 OPS and he's the only one out there who's even remotely available.

Having a Matt Cain and Madison Bumgarner might also help, but one step at a time.

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 Post subject: Re: July 8, 2013 A's (52-37) at Pirates (53-34)
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Tabata continues to be on drugs. I am not saying he should have caught the double by Lowrie, but it should have been closer. He took the wrong angle to the ball..again.


That ball hit on the warning track, he should have caught the ball!


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 Post subject: Re: July 8, 2013 A's (52-37) at Pirates (53-34)
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Steve blass just made mention of Jason steel and his anniversary is that jc steel?

Lastly, does marte have to show bunt every at bat?


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 Post subject: Re: July 8, 2013 A's (52-37) at Pirates (53-34)
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StarlingArcher wrote:
Soooo are we back to wanting to acquire Giancarlo Stanton? Because we have a gaping hole when it comes to a guy capable of putting up a Buster Posey-esque .967 OPS and he's the only one out there who's even remotely available.


Cutch's OPS last season was .953.


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 Post subject: Re: July 8, 2013 A's (52-37) at Pirates (53-34)
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J_C_Steel wrote:
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Soooo are we back to wanting to acquire Giancarlo Stanton? Because we have a gaping hole when it comes to a guy capable of putting up a Buster Posey-esque .967 OPS and he's the only one out there who's even remotely available.


Cutch's OPS last season was .953.


It was also boosted by an unsustainable .375 BABIP.

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 Post subject: Re: July 8, 2013 A's (52-37) at Pirates (53-34)
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MoTownWV wrote:
J_C_Steel wrote:
Funny. "Mediocre" is about how I'd describe the San Francisco Giants' offense last year. Yet they managed to win a World Series...


San Fransico was 11th in MLB in runs scored per game in 2012 with 4.42.

We are 24th in 2014 at 3.92 almost a half run per game less than San Fran last year.


That takes into account Melky Cabrera's juiced-up first half. The Giants were a mediocre, downright pedestrian hitting team down the stretch and into the playoffs.


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 Post subject: Re: July 8, 2013 A's (52-37) at Pirates (53-34)
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StarlingArcher wrote:
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Soooo are we back to wanting to acquire Giancarlo Stanton? Because we have a gaping hole when it comes to a guy capable of putting up a Buster Posey-esque .967 OPS and he's the only one out there who's even remotely available.


Cutch's OPS last season was .953.


It was also boosted by an unsustainable .375 BABIP.


Buster Posey's was .368. Unsustainable?


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 Post subject: Re: July 8, 2013 A's (52-37) at Pirates (53-34)
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J_C_Steel wrote:

Buster Posey's was .368. Unsustainable?


Yes. He's back down to .320 on the BABIP this year and his OPS is down to 906. The overall average has gone from .336 to .310.

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 Post subject: Re: July 8, 2013 A's (52-37) at Pirates (53-34)
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J_C_Steel wrote:
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Funny. "Mediocre" is about how I'd describe the San Francisco Giants' offense last year. Yet they managed to win a World Series...


San Fransico was 11th in MLB in runs scored per game in 2012 with 4.42.

We are 24th in 2014 at 3.92 almost a half run per game less than San Fran last year.


That takes into account Melky Cabrera's juiced-up first half. The Giants were a mediocre, downright pedestrian hitting team down the stretch and into the playoffs.



Actually they increased their scoring without Melky. On 7/8/12 they were tied with the Pirates for 23rd place with 3.95 runs per game.

It's interesting with what most consider a better lineup that we a scoring slightly less runs per game compared to a year ago.


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 Post subject: Re: July 8, 2013 A's (52-37) at Pirates (53-34)
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StarlingArcher wrote:
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Buster Posey's was .368. Unsustainable?


Yes. He's back down to .320 on the BABIP this year and his OPS is down to 906. The overall average has gone from .336 to .310.


So the Giants don't have a .967 OPS guy. His BABIP was unstainable and they really have a guy who's going to post about .900 OPS, which is about where I expect Cutch to end up.


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MoTownWV wrote:
Actually they increased their scoring without Melky. On 7/8/12 they were tied with the Pirates for 23rd place with 3.95 runs per game.

It's interesting with what most consider a better lineup that we a scoring slightly less runs per game compared to a year ago.


Well whaddya know. The Pirates were absolutely crushing the ball in June/July, but fell off in August. Looks like the Giants caught lightning in a bottle later on.

Why can't the Pirates do that?


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 Post subject: Re: July 8, 2013 A's (52-37) at Pirates (53-34)
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J_C_Steel wrote:
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Buster Posey's was .368. Unsustainable?


Yes. He's back down to .320 on the BABIP this year and his OPS is down to 906. The overall average has gone from .336 to .310.


So the Giants don't have a .967 OPS guy. His BABIP was unstainable and they really have a guy who's going to post about .900 OPS, which is about where I expect Cutch to end up.


They had him last year. That's all that matters. .967 production is .967 production. I don't care if it's unsustainable, if Cutch settles in at .900 OPS he's not providing the same level of production that Posey did last year, even if they're comparable players overall.

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