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 Post subject: Re: July 7, 2013 Pirates (53-33) at Cubs (37-48)
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Gomez warming up? Is grilli unavailable? Why not use your best reliever against 3-4-5?


When you are on the road in extras you still use your closer as a closer. At home in extras you use him against the heart of the order.



But why? Is it only because saves exist?

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 Post subject: Re: July 7, 2013 Pirates (53-33) at Cubs (37-48)
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Come on Morris!


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rellimie wrote:
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Gomez warming up? Is grilli unavailable? Why not use your best reliever against 3-4-5?


When you are on the road in extras you still use your closer as a closer. At home in extras you use him against the heart of the order.



But why? Is it only because saves exist?


Yes. Well, and Clint is old school. That combo pretty much necessitates Grilli must pitch the final frame possible.

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Hard to criticize Martin, but hat was an awful throw.


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SUPERCHARGED APE wrote:
rellimie wrote:
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Gomez warming up? Is grilli unavailable? Why not use your best reliever against 3-4-5?


When you are on the road in extras you still use your closer as a closer. At home in extras you use him against the heart of the order.



But why? Is it only because saves exist?


Because if you take the lead usually its only by 1 or 2 runs. Since the home team will still get an at bat you'll want your best pitcher to end the game.


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Had him 0-2...why not go for a strikeout, then walk this guy???


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 Post subject: Re: July 7, 2013 Pirates (53-33) at Cubs (37-48)
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Bases loaded with no outs. Even the Cubs can't blow this. Sigh.

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 Post subject: Re: July 7, 2013 Pirates (53-33) at Cubs (37-48)
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bragged on Martin too soon. :(

We get out of this...we qualify for Houdini school.


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 Post subject: Re: July 7, 2013 Pirates (53-33) at Cubs (37-48)
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Everyone can say what they want about the pitching today but there is no excuse for this offense against the cubs.


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Had him 0-2...why not go for a strikeout, then walk this guy???


Playing the numbers has never exactly been a Hurdle strength....

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We lose. Not liking the way things are headed. You keep stranding runners like that, you don't win. It's gotta stop.


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 Post subject: Re: July 7, 2013 Pirates (53-33) at Cubs (37-48)
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Why do I still feel that this offense sucks even with the record they have?


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 Post subject: Re: July 7, 2013 Pirates (53-33) at Cubs (37-48)
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Because if you take the lead usually its only by 1 or 2 runs. Since the home team will still get an at bat you'll want your best pitcher to end the game.


Well...i guess i just think that's misguided. I'd rather have my best pitcher face rizzo and soriano and let someone else take their chances with darwin barney.

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 Post subject: Re: July 7, 2013 Pirates (53-33) at Cubs (37-48)
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Because if you take the lead usually its only by 1 or 2 runs. Since the home team will still get an at bat you'll want your best pitcher to end the game.


Well...i guess i just think that's misguided. I'd rather have my best pitcher face rizzo and soriano and let someone else take their chances with darwin barney.


You play the odds I guess. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Looking at the averages of Soriano and Rizzo though you shouldn't have needed Grilli.

Bottom line though, this offense failed and it never should have gone to extras.


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Lost last two series to also-rans. If we persist in just scoring a couple runs a game, we will stress our starting pitching and pen......and we all know how that worked out the past couple years.


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 Post subject: Re: July 7, 2013 Pirates (53-33) at Cubs (37-48)
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Now we have a very very hot A's team coming to town. We lose to two series to two losing teams like Phil's and cubs. Not liking this at all.

Agreed, grilli on melancon should have been in there. Clint is too concerned over pitch counts etc. like herm Edwards said "you play to win the game".


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 Post subject: Re: July 7, 2013 Pirates (53-33) at Cubs (37-48)
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borohockey8 wrote:
Why do I still feel that this offense sucks even with the record they have?


While I don't think the future should be mortgaged, anyone who doesn't think we need a big time hitter is mistaken. It sucks that every time we get to extras we hope the pitching can hold out until Cutch or Pedro come up does not make us a contender.


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Clevelandsux wrote:
Now we have a very very hot A's team coming to town. We lose to two series to two losing teams like Phil's and cubs. Not liking this at all.

Agreed, grilli on melancon should have been in there. Clint is too concerned over pitch counts etc. like herm Edwards said "you play to win the game".


Melancon was in.


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 Post subject: Re: July 7, 2013 Pirates (53-33) at Cubs (37-48)
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Clevelandsux wrote:
Now we have a very very hot A's team coming to town. We lose to two series to two losing teams like Phil's and cubs. Not liking this at all.

Agreed, grilli on melancon should have been in there. Clint is too concerned over pitch counts etc. like herm Edwards said "you play to win the game".


It's hindsight. You go up by a run and put Morris in there to close because you used Grilli and the same thing happens your argument would be why did we use Grilli early. It's baseball.


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 Post subject: Re: July 7, 2013 Pirates (53-33) at Cubs (37-48)
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borohockey8 wrote:
Why do I still feel that this offense sucks even with the record they have?


Because they aren't as good as their record....

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