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 Post subject: Re: Making the team better... the trade deadline thread
PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:02 pm 
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Robert Andino From the Mariners? ANother utility player?


A HERO.


The Curse of the Andino is real. If the Pirates face the Sox in October, this move is a game changer!

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 Post subject: Re: Making the team better... the trade deadline thread
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In relation to the cries from last year - I just noticed that Chase Headley has been, well, quite average this year with the bat.

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SUPERCHARGED APE wrote:
In relation to the cries from last year - I just noticed that Chase Headley has been, well, quite average this year with the bat.


Has been his whole career besides last year.


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 Post subject: Re: Making the team better... the trade deadline thread
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Interesting piece on the new GM of the Chicago Bears: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/953 ... philosophy

Thought this was particularly relevant, cross-sport, of what the new post-modern GM may look like...

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3. Having no fear of the unknown.

The sabermetric movement in baseball brought the concept of replacement level to sports, and it permanently changed the ways that we value players, both as fans and (amateur or professional) analysts. Teams who found a first baseman with a little bit of power or a sound reliever from Triple-A had a tangible reason to realize that they could move on from those players and find a new one without having to pay a premium, because supply was so plentiful and replacement level was so high. It's what led the Red Sox under Epstein to move on from the useful-if-replaceable Brian Daubach and go reaching into the free-agent market for a non-tendered first basemen who had failed to impress in his last stop, David Ortiz.

Bad organizations are terrified of the unknown and make moves to ensure that they'll never have to end up shopping in those circles, even if they found that talent there in the first place. They give that running back they plucked off the waiver wire and put behind their great offensive line a big new contract, even though there are dozens of running backs just waiting for a similar opportunity available for the minimum. They re-sign players to deals above market value because they're afraid of some near-zero possibility that they're the only team left with money to spend and there's nobody left to spend it on. (Hi, kicker contracts!) In doing so and ensuring that they won't end up with a total mess at a position, they're forced to pay a premium for an often-inferior talent. They also forgo the opportunity of finding a bargain, a player who will outperform his salary and allow the organization to spend more on a player who they truly can't replace.


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 Post subject: Re: Making the team better... the trade deadline thread
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There is chatter that if the Mariners don't re-sign Kendrys Morales, they may try to slip him through waivers and trade him. It's likely that some team out there would claim him off waivers before the Pirates' turn, but if not, he's a potential upgrade for the team before August 31st.


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 Post subject: Re: Making the team better... the trade deadline thread
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Delmon Young was DFA by the Phillies. Would he be an upgrade?


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 Post subject: Re: Making the team better... the trade deadline thread
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MoTownWV wrote:
Delmon Young was DFA by the Phillies. Would he be an upgrade?

No. God, no.

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 Post subject: Re: Making the team better... the trade deadline thread
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ride with what we have maybe play Lambo and then in the off season make another push for Stanton or Trumbo. We have the pitching that the Angles will need in our system.
Jones will be gone so I hope Lambo can play winterball and learn 1st


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 Post subject: Re: Making the team better... the trade deadline thread
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Looking back at the various outfielders that were thrown out there as possible acquisitions - some more seriously than others - here is the OPS for each one since 8/1, plus that of Tabata who would have lost time had someone been acquired:


Byrd .907
Tabata .851
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Stanton .769
Schierholz .749
L Morrison .725
A Rios .695
Aoki .645
Trumbo .645
Willingham .635
Doumit .612
DeJesus .586
Morse .578

With the exception of Stanton - who was impossible to get without blowing up the entire farm system - and Byrd - who they ultimately got - who would have improved the team over the past month?


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 Post subject: Re: Making the team better... the trade deadline thread
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B-b-but besides the numbers, those guys on the list are "professional hitters" and Tabata is not!

Nice work compiling the stats. I wasn't even in favor of acquiring Byrd at the deadline due to age and not anticipating the outlier career year to continue, but I'm glad to be wrong on that one given the .881 OPS he put up in August.


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 Post subject: Re: Making the team better... the trade deadline thread
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I was a fan of Byrd but didn't expect him to maintain this either. He's been solid so far for us....although I think the "professional hitter" tag that a certain sportswriter likes to throw out on Twitter is a bit misguided for a guy with a 26% K rate, 5% BB rate, and some inflated peripherals. I also don't really think there's such thing as a professional hitter, but if there was he wouldn't really be what I'd envision (Tabata actually would be closer to it....low K%, high BB%, lots of opposite field hits).

That said, I liked him better than anybody else besides Stanton and Trumbo and that was mostly because they were young with multiple years of control so thought they'd be solid pieces for this year with some upside for following years. But, he wasn't a platoon guy, wasn't an overpaid bum, and was pretty much the definition of an ideal rental so I think they did well.

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I think it safe to say that the team which improved itself more than any other contender at the deadline was the Pirates. Byrd and Morneau address issues with RF, 1B, RH hitter, LH hitter, power, and defense.


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Bucfan wrote:
I think it safe to say that the team which improved itself more than any other contender at the deadline was the Pirates. Byrd and Morneau address issues with RF, 1B, RH hitter, LH hitter, power, and defense.

Yep. And that is what contending teams do.


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I think Byrd's career year will continue through the end of the season because I believe it's steroid related.

Next year, though - I'll bet he tanks.

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I think Byrd's career year will continue through the end of the season because I believe it's steroid related.

Next year, though - I'll bet he tanks.

That would be fine. Next year he's not our problem.

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 Post subject: Re: Making the team better... the trade deadline thread
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Bucfan wrote:
I think it safe to say that the team which improved itself more than any other contender at the deadline was the Pirates. Byrd and Morneau address issues with RF, 1B, RH hitter, LH hitter, power, and defense.

Yep. And that is what contending teams do.


I still thought we were a SP short but Morton has really put a damper on that fear.


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I think Byrd's career year will continue through the end of the season because I believe it's steroid related.

Next year, though - I'll bet he tanks.

That would be fine. Next year he's not our problem.



Exactly. Was just responding to concerns that he may not keep it up this year. I think he'll have enough juice left in him to get through October.

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 Post subject: Re: Making the team better... the trade deadline thread
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Well, this thread looks done, as it should be at this point.

Just wanted to thank everyone for making it a good, long posting. Haven't had one of these started by me in a long while. Thanks for the participation.

ZM

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ZelieMike wrote:
Well, this thread looks done, as it should be at this point.

Just wanted to thank everyone for making it a good, long posting. Haven't had one of these started by me in a long while. Thanks for the participation.

ZM



I'm keeping it going! This is the official "track Byrd and Morneau" thread! YOU CAN'T KILL YOUR OWN THREAD ZM

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 Post subject: Re: Making the team better... the trade deadline thread
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ZelieMike wrote:
Just wanted to thank everyone for making it a good, long posting. Haven't had one of these started by me in a long while. Thanks for the participation.

ZM

Wait, you started the damn thread???

Can I have the moderators delete my contributions? (I suspect no dissent will be raised by any to this suggestion. :D )


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