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 Post subject: And THAT My Friends Is Why I Continue to Support Pedro!
PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 11:13 pm 
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WOW! In the history of the Pirates, there have only been a few guys that could hit HR like that! Go Pedro.

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 Post subject: Re: And THAT My Friends Is Why I Continue to Support Pedro!
PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 11:53 pm 
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Pedro provides that chance, that moment. He has it in him. Talking numbers, he may never be a high on base percentage guy because of his high strikeout totals. If he learns to be more selective he might earn more walks. I'm sure pitchers fear his power. His slugging will usually be up there, it was last season. His ops will be solid.

His power is ridiculous. He helped the team win tonight at the plate and in the field.


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 Post subject: Re: And THAT My Friends Is Why I Continue to Support Pedro!
PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 1:22 am 
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Certainly, Pedro is not perfect...

But these fans that just want to dump him irritate the hell out of me.

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You can't dump him, but he really needs to produce more. One monster homerun every week ever doesn't make up for his lack of production and his many strikeouts.

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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 2:59 am 
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Ryann wrote:
You can't dump him, but he really needs to produce more. One monster homerun every week ever doesn't make up for his lack of production and his many strikeouts.

The Astros catcher disagrees:


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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 3:31 am 
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I did not see that reaction by the catcher! Pretty cooL!

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I'm all for Pedro and will keep supporting him...BUT...he has to become more consistent at the plate.

The power is obviously there Pedro. Your share of Home Runs will happen. The occaisional walk, the singles and extra base hits, and driving the ball to the OPPOSITE FIELD for hits will make you a make much much better and much much more dangerous hitter.

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I'll feel better about Pedro when he finishes a season with an OPS north of .800. With his power and how careful pitchers have to be, he should be able to get to that level every year. I love the huge bombs, but it's frustrating to watch him flail at bad pitches for weeks at a time.


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 Post subject: Re: And THAT My Friends Is Why I Continue to Support Pedro!
PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 12:05 pm 
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Ryann wrote:
You can't dump him, but he really needs to produce more. One monster homerun every week ever doesn't make up for his lack of production and his many strikeouts.


While this may be true, those who haven't need to come to manage their expectations.

He's not Evan Longoria.

That sucks, and we're all disappointed that he isn't, but it needs to be accepted at this time.

It's quite possible that Pedro is either a 'late bloomer' who will not put everything together until age 28+ (and by then he'll probably be wearing a different uniform) or merely a 3B version of Carlos Pena.

If he is just a 2-3 WAR player at best for this team, so be it. So long as the team is winning, what does it really matter (granted, you could argue that Pedro being a 4+ WAR player could make this team a WS contender, but take what's given and stop blaming one player for all the problems on a TEAM)?

Whatever the case, the only people who should be 'tortured' by Pedro's 'disappointing play' are those who can't accept what he is (or isn't) right now.

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 Post subject: Re: And THAT My Friends Is Why I Continue to Support Pedro!
PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 8:36 pm 
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You know what's really interesting about Pedro?

He's arguably one of the best of his draft class (top 3/5), at least if we're talking first round.

Look at the 2008 Draft: http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft ... year_round

It's Buster Posey and then... a lot of Pedro types...

Tim Beckham: Hasn't reached the Majors. Was suspended 50 games in 2012 for positive test of drug abuse.
Eric Hosmer: Arguably more disappointing than Pedro.
Brian Matusz: Paul Maholm on his best days, otherwise more Ian Snell.
Kyle Skipworth: Just made the Bigs this year. MiLB #'s nothing special.
Yonder Alonso: Servicable, but unimpressive.
Gordon Beckham: Serviceable, but unimpressive.
Aaron Crow: A decent reliever, but not the dominant starter he was projected as.
Jason Castro: 'Stros full-time catcher. Jury still out, but so far nothing special.
Justin Smoak: Ask an M's fan how they feel about him and prepare for profanity.
Jemile Weeks: Disappointing stint in the Bigs, stuck in AAA.
Brett Wallace: Has bounced around (STL to OAK to HOU) and looks to be AAAA.
Aaron Hicks: Skipped AA, but has had growing pains in the pros.
Brett Lawrie: For all his hype has yet to become the star some expected.
David Cooper: Buried in the Jays depth charts. Short stints as pro yielded meek results. Stuck producing in AAA.
Ike Davis: Although arguably more consistent, about on par with Pedro.

Maybe the 08 Draft was just one full of duds or 'late bloomers'? Or maybe it was full of 'complimentary players' overbilled as 'stars'?

For all the missed expectations though, Pedro is still among the best of his class.

Crazy.

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 Post subject: Re: And THAT My Friends Is Why I Continue to Support Pedro!
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To me he's still another Dave kingman, rob deer or Gorman Thomas. I really believe some winter ball could help him.

Of all of our starters he's still got the worst avg. worse than barmes! Shouldn't be.


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 Post subject: Re: And THAT My Friends Is Why I Continue to Support Pedro!
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Baby turn around and let me see that sexy body go...

Bump-bump-BUMP!

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bassoondirector wrote:
I'm all for Pedro and will keep supporting him...BUT...he has to become more consistent at the plate.

The power is obviously there Pedro. Your share of Home Runs will happen. The occaisional walk, the singles and extra base hits, and driving the ball to the OPPOSITE FIELD for hits will make you a make much much better and much much more dangerous hitter.


The opposite field? I think you might have something there BD! :D

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 Post subject: Re: And THAT My Friends Is Why I Continue to Support Pedro!
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Clevelandsux wrote:
To me he's still another Dave kingman, rob deer or Gorman Thomas. I really believe some winter ball could help him.

Of all of our starters he's still got the worst avg. worse than barmes! Shouldn't be.


I'd be ecstatic if Pedro, in his 26 year old season had offensive stats comparable to Kingman in his 26 year old season.


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Cardinal rule there Bassoon....... :D

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All the complaining about Pedro is silly compared to the 3rd baseman of the Dodgers, Mr. Luis Cruz.

.096 avg, .118 obp, .096 slg, .214 ops. 7 for 73, with 2 rbi...

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 Post subject: Re: And THAT My Friends Is Why I Continue to Support Pedro!
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Or a lot of third basemen. Only a few teams are getting the HR production from third base that we are getting. He's not the best, he's far from the worst. There's no reason to talk about trading him, sending him down, etc... He's not going to be the thing that holds us back when it's said and done.


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Last season, Pedro hit 30 HRs and had 85 RBIs. How in the world can you give up on somebody with those stats!?!? yes, obviously he strikes out too much, but his defense has improved greatly and he continues to change games with one swing of the bat. He will undoubtedly have several at bats that will frustrate the heck out of all of us, but that is something we will have to deal with. He is usually our 5 or 6 hitter in the lineup; who can argue with 30 HRs and 85 RBI from the 6 spot?

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 Post subject: Re: And THAT My Friends Is Why I Continue to Support Pedro!
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Last season, Pedro hit 30 HRs and had 85 RBIs. How in the world can you give up on somebody with those stats!?!? yes, obviously he strikes out too much, but his defense has improved greatly and he continues to change games with one swing of the bat. He will undoubtedly have several at bats that will frustrate the heck out of all of us, but that is something we will have to deal with. He is usually our 5 or 6 hitter in the lineup; who can argue with 30 HRs and 85 RBI from the 6 spot?


Those "counting stats" don't give you much idea of his true value. Gotta look at WAR, OBP, OPS, OPS+, and other indicators to know how valuable Pedro is (and was).

I'm not ready to give up on the guy, but he needs to do more with his talent. Learning the strike zone and pitch recognition are skills that can be learned.


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 Post subject: Re: And THAT My Friends Is Why I Continue to Support Pedro!
PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 1:10 am 
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I'm not ready to give up on the guy, but he needs to do more with his talent. Learning the strike zone and pitch recognition are skills that can be learned.


I don't think anyone disagrees. But I'm glad someone posted that draft class in this thread, because it was heavily hyped with talent, and there's been A LOT of threads here or on other forums about how we should of took Hosmer, should of took Smoak, should of took Lawrie, should of took Davis, and none of those guys have shown anything more than Pedro. The number one pick of the draft was a MASSIVE bust who will probably never even see the MLB.

Seems like the most often "we should of took" is Eric Hosmer, and while he's 3 years younger than Pedro and shows a lot more in terms of contact/discipline, he's still lacking the raw power, and has gotten worse in every MLB season so far, not better.

Point is, even if we're stuck with "Dave Kingman", he's still going to end up being one of the best picks of that draft. So why complain so much? There is no "we could of done better here", unless you think we should of taken Buster Posey, which I don't think matched up with our strategy at the time, since we wanted what looked like the fastest power bat to the MLB, and that was Alvarez. Plus catchers are always so goofy to draft anyways, it's always just a countdown until they break down.


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