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 Post subject: If Pedro Sinks Instead of Soars...
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 6:16 pm 
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And his hot streaks don't last long enough to balance out his arctic-level cold streaks, and the Pirates are still contending for the playoffs in July, the Bucs may be in the market for a short-term upgrade. I don't think the Bucs should trade Pedro (or Cole or Taillon); instead, they should look for a veteran with a smaller price tag who could help out the team down the stretch.

How 'bout 30-year-old switch-hitting third baseman Alberto Callaspo?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/2854 ... o-callaspo

The Angels may be well out of it by July, and they would likely be looking to sell off a few non-essential players. While Callaspo doesn't hit for much power, he can get on base and field his position pretty darn well.

Just a thought.


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Thanks for hijacking my thread JC. You know I'm only good for one every two years!

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Sorry ZM! By all means work this into your thread. I'll move my suggestions there.


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I really and honestly think he needs to be sent to AAA for assignment. We sent tabata down last year, and he's been very productive this season.

I think Pedro played college ball, but sure how much minor league ball he's played. He just swings at everything.


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I don't know much about Callapso...numbers kinda look just average.

Do we have better internal options to at least platoon if needed? Hague? Mercer?

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How many years of control do the bucs have with Pedro? How much does he make based on the large signing bonus he had when drafted? Who is his agent?


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buccosfan77 wrote:
How many years of control do the bucs have with Pedro? How much does he make based on the large signing bonus he had when drafted? Who is his agent?


Three after this one (one at 700k, then two arb).

You mean right now or projected arbitration?

Scott Boras.

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 Post subject: Re: If Pedro Sinks Instead of Soars...
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Everybody is aware of Pedro's up/downs.

So far this season:

1-15 APR (13 games):
3-41 (.073), 3 R, 0 XBH, 0 HR, 1 RBI, 5BB, 16 K, .174/.073/.247
162 GM AVG: Not good.

17-28 APR (11 games):
13-40 (.325), 7 R, 0 XBH, 4 HR, 10 RBI, 3 BB (+2 IBB), 13 K, .364/.625/.989
162 GM AVG: 104 R, 59 HR, 148 RBI, 45 BB, 192 K

1-12 MAY (8 games):
8-29 (.276 BA), 3 R, 1 XBH, 2 HR, 6 RBI, 0 BB, 9 K, .267/.517/.784
162 GM AVG: 61 R, 21 XBH, 41 HR, 122 RBI, 0 BB, 183 K

29-30 APR, 13-14 MAY:
0-16, 7 K's
162 GM AVG: Not worth calculating.

You can see that we started with 'Nightmare Pedro', then progressed to 'Dream Pedro', then saw 'Reality Pedro' and have had breaks of 'Dead Pedro' before/after 'Reality Pedro'.

The interesting thing is that the 1-12 May ('Reality') Pedro is pretty much in line with his 2012 season (except the walks, that's just insane for him---well, not HIM---to have 0). If he sustained that kind of production (with the 17-28 APR walk rate*) for a full season, it would be pretty much all that is needed out of him.

On the whole Pedro has been frustrating this year, but [somehow/arguably] not a total disaster. As we've been demanding for years, all he has to do is have more consistency or at least more visits to the 'Reality Pedro' realm.

*Naturally, the increase in BB's would increase his OBP and therefore OPS, so we'd have to project for 1-2 less XBH's and HR's, but he'd still be a 40 HR/110 RBI/.780 OPS 3B, which is good enough. As Bucfan said, it'd pretty much be Ryan Howard-lite. Not great, but good enough.

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 Post subject: Re: If Pedro Sinks Instead of Soars...
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Also, in theory* it would help 'dro if he batted fifth or sixth in the lineup; as it sh/would allow him to see more AB's w/ RISP.

However, it's not as if his approach is conducive in run-producing and the lineup is working just fine with him lower in the order.

So while it might be more beneficial for El Toro to bat higher, it's certainly better for the team that he hasn't been.

All of this is just a long way of saying: Pedro may have to suffer for the better of team (and/or learn to produce where he is slated).

*Of course, as Homer Simpson said, "In theory, Communism works---IN THEORY!" :D

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 Post subject: Re: If Pedro Sinks Instead of Soars...
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I don't like callaspo he has no power and not a great OPS.

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Clevelandsux wrote:
I really and honestly think he needs to be sent to AAA for assignment. We sent tabata down last year, and he's been very productive this season.

I think Pedro played college ball, but sure how much minor league ball he's played. He just swings at everything.


So you want to send the guy who hit 30 HR last year and is leading the team in HR this year back to AAA. Makes sense...


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Ryann wrote:
I don't like callaspo he has no power and not a great OPS.


He's got a solid OBP, good defense, and he doesn't strike out much. I'd take that for the balance of the year if Pedro is sh*tting the bed.


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There is no way Pedro should be sent back down. Been there, done that.

Having said that Pedro fails at every intangible in which it takes to be a good hitter. He doesn't see the ball well out of the pitchers hand. He might look for his pitch but because of poor pitch recognition he lacks the ability to lay off down and away. His swing is big which results in swings and misses when trying to protect or even when he's looking fastball. He has great middle to opposite field power but tries to pull everything.


The only thing he has going is strength and for that he leads the team in homeruns and fails at everything else. The old adage take the bad with the good doesn't apply with Pedro because his 'bad' soars so high.


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Animal wrote:
I don't know much about Callapso...numbers kinda look just average.

Do we have better internal options to at least platoon if needed? Hague? Mercer?


If you want to sit Pedro against a lefty, Inge is a good option. But I would put him in the lineup just about every day. You just have to keep sending him up there and hope he eventually hits.


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Ralphie wrote:
But I would put him in the lineup just about every day. You just have to keep sending him up there and hope he eventually hits.

I have been one of his biggest critics, but I couldn't agree more. Pedro is supposed to be a cornerstone player, so you have to ride with him...and that includes against at least most left handers. Right now Inge is your back up and that isn't going to be any better. If they bring someone else in who is better than Inge, then maybe I agree with sitting him.

I also think the Headley ship has sailed. That was the one thing at last year's trade deadline that I would have liked to see them push more(and maybe they did).


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 Post subject: Re: If Pedro Sinks Instead of Soars...
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Isn't Pedro out of options?

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 Post subject: Re: If Pedro Sinks Instead of Soars...
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While the Dave Kingman/Rob Deer comparison will be there until he proves otherwise, and while 'dro could always 'bloom late' like Chris Davis or Josh Hamilton, tonight's game offers another possible comparison:

Carlos Pena.

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JollyRoger wrote:
Clevelandsux wrote:
I really and honestly think he needs to be sent to AAA for assignment. We sent tabata down last year, and he's been very productive this season.

I think Pedro played college ball, but sure how much minor league ball he's played. He just swings at everything.


So you want to send the guy who hit 30 HR last year and is leading the team in HR this year back to AAA. Makes sense...


Yes I do. He doesnt even get productive outs. He didnt even play winter ball.


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Another strike out for pedro. Doesnt even move the runners over. This guy sucks! Hes a wasted at bat, almost like a pitcher. Doesnt go to the plate with any authority, looks like hes going through the motions.


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Clevelandsux wrote:
Another strike out for pedro. Doesnt even move the runners over. This guy sucks! Hes a wasted at bat, almost like a pitcher. Doesnt go to the plate with any authority, looks like hes going through the motions.


MAN, DOES PEDRO SUCK!

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