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 Post subject: Rule 5 Draft
PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:10 pm 
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Two SS taken in the first three picks.

Bucs select LHP Donald Veal from the Cubs. He is 23.

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Unusual for a lefty in that he's not only tall at 6'4", but solid at 230 pounds. Regressed somewhat after an off the charts type season in 2006, with inconsistency the main cause. Has three average pitches but has a tendency to aim the ball when behind in the count and at higher levels results in getting hit. Has an unusual delivery with a high leg kick which sometimes has him throwing his curveball off the side of his hand, Cubs are considering adding a split to replace the breaker. Will repeat Double A to start 2008.



Kyle Bloom got taken by the Tigers.

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 Post subject: Re: Rule 5 Draft
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He was ranked a top 5 prospect in many rankings going into 2008. He has fallen to 16 by John Sickels.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/11/ ... -20-prospe

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/ ... veal.shtml

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 Post subject: Re: Rule 5 Draft
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This is a very good pickup. Veal was a key component in the Brian Roberts-to-the-Cubs trade that almost happened last off-season. He should be fairly close to MLB-ready, too.

Of course, I'm just a stinkin' apologist, so what do I know?

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 Post subject: Re: Rule 5 Draft
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Triple A Rule 5

Bucs select LHP Andres Santos from the Yankees system.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb ... pid=472559

Second round
RHP Rafael Quintero from Indians system.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb ... pid=467159

Both players played in the Dominican last season.

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 Post subject: Re: Rule 5 Draft
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From BA:

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The list of intriguing lefties includes several rarities—lefty power arms. The best-known name, Cubs lefthander Donald Veal, ranked as high as second in Chicago's Top 10 prospects, after the 2006 season. Since then, he has fallen in stature in much the same way the player he's most often compared to—Dontrelle Willis—has fallen. Veal posted a 10.00 ERA in the Arizona Fall League despite continuing to show a fastball that reaches 94 mph and a curve that at times is a plus pitch. He lacks consistent command of his heater, curve or changeup, and the Cubs plan on moving him to the bullpen to see if he can develop along the lines of an Arthur Rhodes, throwing more strikes in shorter stints.


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 Post subject: Re: Rule 5 Draft
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Sounds like he can't throw a strike to save his a$$, so he will fit right in with all the other Pirate pitchers not named Paul Maholm.


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 Post subject: Re: Rule 5 Draft
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He's worth the risk. The Bucs are giving up very little to obtain Veal, and at the very least he could eat up a number of relief innings with his 2 apparently plus pitches. This was a good pick.

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 Post subject: Re: Rule 5 Draft
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Chances are if he does struggle in the Majors, he could possibly be sent to the minors the same way Meek was...The Cubs wont miss him...

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 Post subject: Re: Rule 5 Draft
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When it was posted, it seemed a little different to me to reach to the Dominican Leagues in the AAA portion of the draft. My impression was that the AAA portion was usually used to fill out organizational spots where the team wanted minor league experience to fill in bench or bullpen roles at various levels (and maybe that was an incorrect impression on my part). I see DK posted in the Post-Gazette that other clubs asked us about having actually scouted in the Dominican and picking the kids. Are we trying something others aren't?

Anybody know what the requirement is for keeping them in the organization? Do we have to keep at a cetain ML level all year. It almost certainly yields little or nothing, but when you are as shallow on talent organizationally as we are . . . I'm curious.

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 Post subject: Re: Rule 5 Draft
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These latin players are usually signed when they are 16 or 17 so they become Rule V eligible earlier than most folks here. The teams try to stash them away....like the Dodgers did with Clemente....and hide them so they don't show up until later. I don't know if these guys are real players or just minor league fodder, but it could pay dividends if these guys were being hidden by their organizations, figuring nobody is scouting teams' properties in the Dominican. We'll see.....


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 Post subject: Re: Rule 5 Draft
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When they were drafted, the team actually announced they were being drafted off a AA roster. I don't know if that means anything, but that's what was said.

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They were tashed away on a AA roster, but they all seem to have last played in the
Dominican Summer league.


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 Post subject: Re: Rule 5 Draft
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Big guy, lefty, throws real hard, somewhat wild, named Veal.

I wonder if he wears glasses, and tries to knock off peoples' heads, too?

Would be a great reincarnation.

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 Post subject: Re: Rule 5 Draft
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Ha! That was my first thought, too....do you remember the other two pitchers who made up butcher's row for awhile in the late '60s?


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 Post subject: Re: Rule 5 Draft
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Not sure how long you want to go back.

I'm thinking Vern Law and Al McBean.

But, if you go to 1969, you could add Blass and Ellis!

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 Post subject: Re: Rule 5 Draft
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No....I'm talking about the other two pitchers who had last names that had to do with meat (thus, butcher's row)


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 Post subject: Re: Rule 5 Draft
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....I stand corrected. It was the very early '70s.


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 Post subject: Re: Rule 5 Draft
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Oh, OK, I thought we were talking about the propensity to knock guys down.

In the early '70's, the rotation would have been Blass, Kison, Dock Ellis, Luke Walker (I was at his "almost" perfect game), Bob Johnson, and Bob Moose; who was still starting then.

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 Post subject: Re: Rule 5 Draft
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bradf wrote:
No....I'm talking about the other two pitchers who had last names that had to do with meat (thus, butcher's row)


Ah yes, good ol' Bob Chickencacciatore and Frank Babybackribs. I remember them fondly...

Hmm...not nearly as funny after I typed it as it was in my head. Damn.


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 Post subject: Re: Rule 5 Draft
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Ooooh, good try, BBF. That's not right, but you still win the home game version of "Name that Meat". I was speaking of Veale, Moose and Lamb (John Lamb 1970-1973). Wow, I can't believe the judges wouldn't accept your answer!


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