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 Post subject: Anthony Rendon
PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:52 am 
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Anthony Rendon is being called up from AA to make his MLB debut today. He'll be playing in place of Ryan Zimmerman, who is on the DL.

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 Post subject: Re: Anthony Rendon
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Cole was still the right pick regardless of how their careers turn out.


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 Post subject: Re: Anthony Rendon
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I find that Neal has done a good job over the years with his first round picks. All of his picks have been the right pick (without the benefit of hindsight).

2008 (2) - Alvarez (highest rated hitter)

2009 (4) - Sanchez (roll of the dice in a draft that after Strasburg and Ackley, everyone in the 1st round was kind of rated similar. Trying to fix damage Littlefield did)

2010 (2) - Taillon (2nd best rated player overall)

2011 (1) - Cole (best player in the draft)

2012 (8) - Appel (best player in the draft, did not sign but still the right pick)

2013 (9) -
2013 (14) -


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 Post subject: Re: Anthony Rendon
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rellimie wrote:
I find that Neal has done a good job over the years with his first round picks. All of his picks have been the right pick (without the benefit of hindsight).

2008 (2) - Alvarez (highest rated hitter)

2009 (4) - Sanchez (roll of the dice in a draft that after Strasburg and Ackley, everyone in the 1st round was kind of rated similar. Trying to fix damage Littlefield did)

2010 (2) - Taillon (2nd best rated player overall)

2011 (1) - Cole (best player in the draft)

2012 (8) - Appel (best player in the draft, did not sign but still the right pick)

2013 (9) -
2013 (14) -


Sanchez is the one time he decided to not choose best available as he was ranked around 20th overall. Of course we know why he went that way, it just didn't work out. Many of us wanted one of the HS arms (Purke, Wheeler, Turner, or Matzek), Aaron Crow (who was back in the draft), or Grant Green. The Bucs were rumored to be after college arm Kyle Gibson too.

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 Post subject: Re: Anthony Rendon
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rellimie wrote:
2011 (1) - Cole (best player in the draft)


Plus they drafted (and more importantly signed) Bell in the second round, who was a first round talent and one of the top OFers in the draft, but he scared teams away by sending the letter that he was committed to finishing college.


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TheShark wrote:
rellimie wrote:
2011 (1) - Cole (best player in the draft)


Plus they drafted (and more importantly signed) Bell in the second round, who was a first round talent and one of the top OFers in the draft, but he scared teams away by sending the letter that he was committed to finishing college.


... and Allie who was a top 10 prospect the year before, too bad he's playing 1B. No one other than Smizik is knocking NH's draft approach, it was spot on under the old rules.

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 Post subject: Re: Anthony Rendon
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Barrys Dopers wrote:
TheShark wrote:
rellimie wrote:
2011 (1) - Cole (best player in the draft)


Plus they drafted (and more importantly signed) Bell in the second round, who was a first round talent and one of the top OFers in the draft, but he scared teams away by sending the letter that he was committed to finishing college.


... and Allie who was a top 10 prospect the year before, too bad he's playing 1B. No one other than Smizik is knocking NH's draft approach, it was spot on under the old rules.


Allie may turn out to be a really good player anyways.


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 Post subject: Re: Anthony Rendon
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Rendon had injury concerns and the Bucs needed pitching (as evidence by NH taking a SP in the first round three straight years).

It was a justifiable pick and will become moreso should Cole prove his worth.

If anything Taillon over Machado may prove to be the alternative pick the Bucs desire(d). This is not to say Taillon won't pan out, but rather that Machado at Short right now (and the foreseeable future) would be a decisive improvement over... well, you know.

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 Post subject: Re: Anthony Rendon
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Rendon's stock dropped a lot, considering he was a consensus number 1 and he dropped all the way to 6. There's a lot of concern of his injuries and if he'll hit for power in the MLB. Cole on the other hand, had some people saying he could be better than Strasburg.

Had Rendon went at number 2, I'd of questioned our choice of Cole. But with the information at the time, I think we made the right choice. Neal's first rounders have all made sense for the most part.


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I remember Rendon having injury concerns. Taillon was still the right choice for a franchise that needed just about everything, especially pitching. The depth is really good now.


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FWIW, Rendon went 0 for 4 with 2 Ks.


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 Post subject: Re: Anthony Rendon
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Barrys Dopers wrote:
... and Allie who was a top 10 prospect the year before, too bad he's playing 1B. No one other than Smizik is knocking NH's draft approach, it was spot on under the old rules.


His draft approach is good. It's his scouting and draft execution that remain questionable. You gotta pick the right guys to win, folks.


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FWIW, Rendon went 0 for 4 with 2 Ks.


Well, with that kind of dud in his first big-league game, I guess we can write him off as a bust, huh?


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J_C_Steel wrote:
burghermeister wrote:
FWIW, Rendon went 0 for 4 with 2 Ks.


Well, with that kind of dud in his first big-league game, I guess we can write him off as a bust, huh?



That or we could just note it.

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 Post subject: Re: Anthony Rendon
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SUPERCHARGED APE wrote:
J_C_Steel wrote:
burghermeister wrote:
FWIW, Rendon went 0 for 4 with 2 Ks.


Well, with that kind of dud in his first big-league game, I guess we can write him off as a bust, huh?


That or we could just note it.


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 Post subject: Re: Anthony Rendon
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NOT IN ALL CAPS look what you did.

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 Post subject: Re: Anthony Rendon
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Barrys Dopers wrote:
Sanchez is the one time he decided to not choose best available as he was ranked around 20th overall. Of course we know why he went that way, it just didn't work out. Many of us wanted one of the HS arms (Purke, Wheeler, Turner, or Matzek), Aaron Crow (who was back in the draft), or Grant Green. The Bucs were rumored to be after college arm Kyle Gibson too.

You mention those names, and I want to see what they have all done since being drafted.

Purke: Did not sign w/ Texas in 2009; drafted again in 2011 by Washington. Has pitched a whole 15 single-A innings thus far, with 14 strikeouts and 12 walks. (12 walks!!) Has not pitched this season.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minor ... rke-001mat

Wheeler: Traded to the Mets in 2011; currently in AAA. Appears to have strikeout stuff but also some serious control issues. Does not appear HR-prone, despite pitching in Las Vegas.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minor ... eele001zac

Turner: In the majors for Miami. Had some serious problems in Detroit before being traded to Miami in 2012. Looks to have settled down into a command/control specialist, but hasn't pitched yet this season.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ja01.shtml

Matzek: Currently in AA for Colorado. He's walking almost as many hitters as he's striking out, which is to say, a lot. Not a good sign for his future.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minor ... tzek001tyl

Crow: Currently a reliever for the Royals. He's a good reliever, but still only a reliever.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... aa01.shtml

Green: Currently in AAA for Oakland. Hitting decently well, but not well enough to warrant starting. Also appears to have plate discipline issues. No longer playing shortstop exclusively; Oakland appears to be grooming him as an outfielder or for a utility role.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minor ... een-001gra

Gibson: Currently in AAA for Minnesota. Appears to be pitching quite well, but he has a shockingly low number of innings pitched last year. Methinks he got injured in 2011 or 2012. Has 20 IP this year with 19 strikeouts and 7 walks.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minor ... bson002kyl

Obviously the book is not closed on Sanchez, but it appears we could have done a lot worse with many of the other suggested picks that were deemed to have higher ceilings. Anyway, Sanchez does not appear to be the problem with the Pirates' 2009 draft to me; it's the later round picks that have me down on that draft.

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 Post subject: Re: Anthony Rendon
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Clearly they should have taken Mike Trout over Sanchez!

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Clearly they should have taken Mike Trout over Sanchez!


I'm thinking that would have been pretty smart.


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Willton wrote:
Barrys Dopers wrote:
Sanchez is the one time he decided to not choose best available as he was ranked around 20th overall. Of course we know why he went that way, it just didn't work out. Many of us wanted one of the HS arms (Purke, Wheeler, Turner, or Matzek), Aaron Crow (who was back in the draft), or Grant Green. The Bucs were rumored to be after college arm Kyle Gibson too.

You mention those names, and I want to see what they have all done since being drafted.

Purke: Did not sign w/ Texas in 2009; drafted again in 2011 by Washington. Has pitched a whole 15 single-A innings thus far, with 14 strikeouts and 12 walks. (12 walks!!) Has not pitched this season.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minor ... rke-001mat

Wheeler: Traded to the Mets in 2011; currently in AAA. Appears to have strikeout stuff but also some serious control issues. Does not appear HR-prone, despite pitching in Las Vegas.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minor ... eele001zac

Turner: In the majors for Miami. Had some serious problems in Detroit before being traded to Miami in 2012. Looks to have settled down into a command/control specialist, but hasn't pitched yet this season.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ja01.shtml

Matzek: Currently in AA for Colorado. He's walking almost as many hitters as he's striking out, which is to say, a lot. Not a good sign for his future.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minor ... tzek001tyl

Crow: Currently a reliever for the Royals. He's a good reliever, but still only a reliever.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... aa01.shtml

Green: Currently in AAA for Oakland. Hitting decently well, but not well enough to warrant starting. Also appears to have plate discipline issues. No longer playing shortstop exclusively; Oakland appears to be grooming him as an outfielder or for a utility role.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minor ... een-001gra

Gibson: Currently in AAA for Minnesota. Appears to be pitching quite well, but he has a shockingly low number of innings pitched last year. Methinks he got injured in 2011 or 2012. Has 20 IP this year with 19 strikeouts and 7 walks.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minor ... bson002kyl

Obviously the book is not closed on Sanchez, but it appears we could have done a lot worse with many of the other suggested picks that were deemed to have higher ceilings. Anyway, Sanchez does not appear to be the problem with the Pirates' 2009 draft to me; it's the later round picks that have me down on that draft.


The only guy that looks like a star is Zach Wheeler (who's numbers are iffy due to Las Vegas), so we would have had to correctly grab him over the other HS arms, no small task. Gibson had TJ surgery and now looks like the next best of the bunch along with Turner who profile as mid rotation guys. FYI, I wanted Purke, who knows if his arm would have held up without that extra year. He had a deal with Texas, but MLB nixed it because they were broke and it was overslot.

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