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 Post subject: Re: Snider
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:34 pm 
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I'm with JC...as a fan there is something I like about this guy.



My favorite play of last year. Well, I also like Drew Sutton's walk-off, but still, this was great stuff.


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 Post subject: Re: Snider
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:34 pm 
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I'd argue that Snider's HR expectations should be seen as relative to HR expectations for the outfield as a whole. I don't have much time now so I went and looked at the HR totals for the guys listed by BR as the starting OFers in 2012 for the other teams in the division and their HR totals were:
Cincinnati: 74
Milwaukee: 70
St. Louis: 63
Chicago: 41.

So I'd say that the Pirates should aim for 65-70 HR from their outfielders. It's probably a bit early to expect 30 HR from Marte but I think that we can expect at least 30 from Cutch at this point. So let's say that we get 30 from Cutch and 20 from Marte, we'd need 15-20 from RF.

Now if Marte hits more than 20 I'd say that my need for power from RF drops into a more realistic range for Snider (heck, Barmes hit 8 last year). I'm not saying that we shouldn't be looking for more power from RF but that the expectation should be relative to the outfield as a whole, not necessarily on expectations for a RF.


I disagree. Marte's performance does not affect my evaluation of Snider.


It doesn't affect my evaluation of Snider individually but if I'm a manager/GM and I have two pretty damn good players in CF/LF then my needs in RF aren't as great. Again not saying that they couldn't look for more but the need is less.


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 Post subject: Re: Snider
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:40 pm 
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I thought Snider was a nice addition last season. We gave up a former first rounder for a former first rounder. Lincoln was starting to come into his own but it took so long plus I don't think the stamina would've ever been consistent enough to have been a full time starter.

With Snider you were hoping he would bring consistent offense and a possible platoon option with Tabata who was having a hard enough time getting on track after signing a nice long-term deal. If Snider can show full time prowess, well then Tabata would be a nice trade piece or vise versa down the road.

This team needed offense though.


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 Post subject: Re: Snider
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:40 pm 
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And Lincoln is in AAA right now.....


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 Post subject: Re: Snider
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:04 pm 
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nad69dan wrote:
PirateParrot wrote:
I'm with JC...as a fan there is something I like about this guy.




HOLY COW!

I had forgotten about that catch. That was a really cool way to see it, hearing all the different calls.

and I loved Corriea's reaction when the ball left the bat!

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 Post subject: Re: Snider
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:11 pm 
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and I loved Corriea's reaction when the ball left the bat!

He was very familiar with the sound of a HR off the bat ...


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 Post subject: Re: Snider
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:17 pm 
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I love the obnoxious Met fan yelling after the catch.


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 Post subject: Re: Snider
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:07 pm 
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Better catch, Sniders or Giles? I would say Sniders.


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 Post subject: Re: Snider
PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:37 am 
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.800 OPS is absolutely good enough to play every day. Look at our lineup, anyone hits like that and they're basically our best or second beat hitter. I like Sniders at bats, he looks like a professional hitter which is more than I can say for some of them in that lineup.


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 Post subject: Re: Snider
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I'll gladly eat crow if he keeps this up. Turned nicely on a fastball in last night.


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 Post subject: Re: Snider
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He kind of reminds me of good 2011 Alex Presley.

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 Post subject: Re: Snider
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Leway512 wrote:
I like Sniders at bats, he looks like a professional hitter which is more than I can say for some of them in that lineup.


That's the best way to describe Snider. He's a professional hitter. He works the count. He takes a walk. He's still a decent hitter in a two-strike count. The Pirates need more guys like that, even if he doesn't hit 20+ home runs per season.


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 Post subject: Re: Snider
PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:40 am 
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doug frobel wrote:
He might be living up to his abilities, but he won't live up to my expectations until the balls start flying out of the park. We don't need another punch and judy hitter.

The Pirates were 4th in the league in HRs last year. They have plenty of power. What they needed most offensively was runners on base, and Snider is getting on base.

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 Post subject: Re: Snider
PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:45 am 
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What Snider is doing now is just fine.

In fact all the position players are fine except Barmes.


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 Post subject: Re: Snider
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I don't know how many HR's he's going to hit...if he keeps squaring the ball like he has and plays solid defense he's perfect batting in the 2 spot. I think he's always going to get quality pitches batting in front of Cutch.


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 Post subject: Re: Snider
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Walk compared him to Neil Walker...maybe not a ton of HR's but lots of doubles. I'd take another hitter like that for sure.


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