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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Qunicy Latimore traded to Indians
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:53 pm 
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I would be more interested in keeping Vandenhurk than in adding Gomez, a guy who walks a ton and gives up HR's by the bushel.

Vandenhurk was reportedly dealing in the mid-90's as a SP'er for Indy last year, which may go a long way towards explaining his 13 W's and 2.92 ERA.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Qunicy Latimore traded to Indians
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VandenHurk signed with a Korean league.

http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2013/1/7/38 ... sung-lions

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Qunicy Latimore traded to Indians
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I had read that point on another site, Dan. I misphrased what I meant to say - i.e., that I would have preferred keeping VandenHurk over acquiring Gomez.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Qunicy Latimore traded to Indians
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Bucfan wrote:
I had read that point on another site, Dan. I misphrased what I meant to say - i.e., that I would have preferred keeping VandenHurk over acquiring Gomez.


I would agree. Good analysis. I never got why VandenHurk didn't get at least one start in September after his stellar year in AAA.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Qunicy Latimore traded to Indians
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J_C_Steel wrote:
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I had read that point on another site, Dan. I misphrased what I meant to say - i.e., that I would have preferred keeping VandenHurk over acquiring Gomez.


I would agree. Good analysis. I never got why VandenHurk didn't get at least one start in September after his stellar year in AAA.

The fact that he is now pitching in Korea doesn't give you any idea???


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Qunicy Latimore traded to Indians
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PirateParrot wrote:
The fact that he is now pitching in Korea doesn't give you any idea???

The fact that he was dealing at 95-96 mph in AAA, with a very good slider, good command, more than 8 K's per 9 IP, and posted a 2.92 ERA in the International League is what I was considering.

The fact that Gomez is a prototypical high-walk, low K, HR-plagued punching bag is another.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Qunicy Latimore traded to Indians
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I dunno, VdH pitched in five games for us last year, as we were swooning, granted, but gave up 5 runs, 5 hits, 4 walks and one hit batter and didn't once get out of an inning cleanly.

Is that enough of a call up? I don't think so either, but he certainly didn't help himself. And he's no spring chicken, being 27....


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Qunicy Latimore traded to Indians
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Bucfan wrote:
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The fact that he is now pitching in Korea doesn't give you any idea???

The fact that he was dealing at 95-96 mph in AAA, with a very good slider, good command, more than 8 K's per 9 IP, and posted a 2.92 ERA in the International League is what I was considering.

The fact that Gomez is a prototypical high-walk, low K, HR-plagued punching bag is another.


So every team in Major League baseball is wrong? But you are correct? Obviously he isn't good enough to pitch in the majors, no team wants him. He's in Korea for crying out loud.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Qunicy Latimore traded to Indians
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I dunno, VdH pitched in five games for us last year, as we were swooning, granted, but gave up 5 runs, 5 hits, 4 walks and one hit batter and didn't once get out of an inning cleanly.

I am not basing my criticism of the moves on Vandenhurk's 2 innings. I am basing it on Vandenhurk's throwing 95 mph with a good slider, the fact that he was already under the Pirates' control, and MAINLY the fact that Gomez IS NOT GOOD.

In terms of selective stats, I will note that Vandenhurk's career major league stats show 8.8 K's/9 IP, while Gomez' career stats show an uninspiring 4.9 K's/9 IP. That is not really surprising, since Vandenhurk's career minor league stats show 8.0 K's/9 IP and 8.0 H's per 9 IP, Gomez' 6.7 K's/9 IP and 9.2 H's per 9 IP.

Did I mention that the Pirates already controlled RVH and did not need to trade anybody for him? And that he pitched really well in AAA last season?


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Qunicy Latimore traded to Indians
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rellimie wrote:
So every team in Major League baseball is wrong? But you are correct?

Yes.

rellimie wrote:
He's in Korea for crying out loud.

Two words:

Ryan Vogelsong.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Qunicy Latimore traded to Indians
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Bucfan wrote:
rellimie wrote:
So every team in Major League baseball is wrong? But you are correct?

Yes.

rellimie wrote:
He's in Korea for crying out loud.

Two words:

Ryan Vogelsong.



Soooooooooo, we should hang on to pitchers, and put up with bad pitching for 5, 6 or 7 years just in case when they turn 32 they will be good?


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Qunicy Latimore traded to Indians
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Bucfan wrote:
rellimie wrote:
So every team in Major League baseball is wrong? But you are correct?

Yes.

rellimie wrote:
He's in Korea for crying out loud.

Two words:

Ryan Vogelsong.

Vogelsong wasn't all that good in Japan, and totally sucked in AAA when he came back. He's a freak of nature.

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Qunicy Latimore traded to Indians
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Bucfan wrote:
Two words:

Ryan Vogelsong.


Colby Lewis.

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NSMaster56 wrote:
Bucfan wrote:
Two words:

Ryan Vogelsong.


Colby Lewis.

Well, yeah, but that would have been four words. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Qunicy Latimore traded to Indians
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Bucfan wrote:
NSMaster56 wrote:
Bucfan wrote:
Two words:

Ryan Vogelsong.


Colby Lewis.

Well, yeah, but that would have been four words. :D


:lol:

I just liked the game. :D

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