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 Post subject: Re: "Laughingstock..."
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:14 pm 
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Barrys Dopers wrote:
Kristy was all over this last night, I guess DK's original story said that Polanco directly said all these things, then she called him out and said Polanco speaks no English and Tony Sanchez chipped in that Polanco knows 5 words maybe. Then, DK changed his story and said it was through a translator.

Kristy the says she was in WV twice and Polanco had a boot twice, DK says no boot until last week.

Tony Sanchez adds this - "We are as prepared to succeed, if not more, than any other organization in the MLB. Not just physically but mentally as well."


Coming from the 'MLB ready' prospect that got his jaw broken in a bar fight and it probably would only help him in the Pirates eyes to be the voice of the minor league players saying that Kyle Stark and NH's methods have hardened them up to be world beaters.


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 Post subject: Re: "Laughingstock..."
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:38 pm 
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He has to be the only dude named Greg in the world that doesn't speak English.

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 Post subject: Re: "Laughingstock..."
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:54 pm 
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PirateParrot wrote:
Barrys Dopers wrote:
Kristy was all over this last night, I guess DK's original story said that Polanco directly said all these things, then she called him out and said Polanco speaks no English and Tony Sanchez chipped in that Polanco knows 5 words maybe. Then, DK changed his story and said it was through a translator.

Kristy the says she was in WV twice and Polanco had a boot twice, DK says no boot until last week.

Tony Sanchez adds this - "We are as prepared to succeed, if not more, than any other organization in the MLB. Not just physically but mentally as well."

Tony Sanchez should shut up, stop tweeting, and start producing. He's kissing ass. Tim Williams and Kristy Robinson are team bloggers....also kissing ass. DK has since acknowledged there was a translator there when he spoke to Polanco.

Save the military stuff for the military. MP put it best above...you want to bond start winning. They should try running an actual baseball operation. The whole thing is a huge joke. All should be fired. Lets face it the public is starting to find out about the crazy stuff they do, that people inside baseball were already aware of...and they don't like it. Complete joke!

Sanchez has some sort of issue with DK after DK was very critical of him in one of his articles, I saw tweets between the 2 quite some time ago...This team is such a joke...

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 Post subject: Re: "Laughingstock..."
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:02 pm 
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If the Pirates are so prepared to succeed, how come they don't?

The abysmal execution of the running game is evidence that they are not prepared to succeed.


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 Post subject: Re: "Laughingstock..."
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Mister Pittsburgh wrote:
Barrys Dopers wrote:
Tim Williams has an article strongly questioning DK's "facts", it is worthwhile to consider the messenger. Tim also links to evidence that many, many teams in sports do this kind of stuff.

Tim basically says Polanco was indeed in a boot for weeks due to the in game injury and that he must have said he was OK to participate because Josh Bell was allowed to skip it.


So then Tim is saying Polanco, and a pitcher that was in the same drill, are liars.

Does any sane person see value in making prospects run base drills through a pool of ice water?

No, he's calling DK's recollection of what Polanco said inaccurate. If anyone's a liar, it's Dejan.

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 Post subject: Re: "Laughingstock..."
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:03 pm 
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Willton wrote:
Mister Pittsburgh wrote:
Barrys Dopers wrote:
Tim Williams has an article strongly questioning DK's "facts", it is worthwhile to consider the messenger. Tim also links to evidence that many, many teams in sports do this kind of stuff.

Tim basically says Polanco was indeed in a boot for weeks due to the in game injury and that he must have said he was OK to participate because Josh Bell was allowed to skip it.


So then Tim is saying Polanco, and a pitcher that was in the same drill, are liars.

Does any sane person see value in making prospects run base drills through a pool of ice water?

No, he's calling DK's recollection of what Polanco said inaccurate. If anyone's a liar, it's Dejan.


The only issue that seems to be up for debate is whether or not Polanco had a translator or suddenly spoke English, correct? If Polanco told him he got hurt running through a pool of icewater, and he didn't, isn't that then saying Polanco, and a pitcher, are liars?


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 Post subject: Re: "Laughingstock..."
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:58 pm 
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Keith Law having a field day at Bucs' expense today. "The Pirates are the laughinstock of the industry...it's embarrassing, truly embarrassing." Also, reported that Jameson Taillon hurt his knee during a military drill in 2010. Apparently he complained to his agent.

The problem with all this stuff is that perception is reality. Even if the military drills are blown out of proportion, it still furthers the notion that the Pirates are a AAA-type organization.


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RoxyChar wrote:
Keith Law having a field day at Bucs' expense today. "The Pirates are the laughinstock of the industry...it's embarrassing, truly embarrassing." Also, reported that Jameson Taillon hurt his knee during a military drill in 2010. Apparently he complained to his agent.

The problem with all this stuff is that perception is reality. Even if the military drills are blown out of proportion, it still furthers the notion that the Pirates are a AAA-type organization.


Yep and that is what matters. Whether you or I think this is a big deal is irrelevant. DK has beat the drum loud enough to achieve its purpose. If a better FO can be had and this is what drove that process then it will be worth it in the end. Really this FO has had so much bad pub that they should know better by now.

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 Post subject: Re: "Laughingstock..."
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Barrys Dopers wrote:
RoxyChar wrote:
Keith Law having a field day at Bucs' expense today. "The Pirates are the laughinstock of the industry...it's embarrassing, truly embarrassing." Also, reported that Jameson Taillon hurt his knee during a military drill in 2010. Apparently he complained to his agent.

The problem with all this stuff is that perception is reality. Even if the military drills are blown out of proportion, it still furthers the notion that the Pirates are a AAA-type organization.


Yep and that is what matters. Whether you or I think this is a big deal is irrelevant. DK has beat the drum loud enough to achieve its purpose. If a better FO can be had and this is what drove that process then it will be worth it in the end. Really this FO has had so much bad pub that they should know better by now.

It shouldn't be hard to find a better front office. Maybe pay a bit more for a GM with a good track record for a change. This front office, on the whole, has failed. They have had positives for sure, but at the end of the day there hasn't been nearly enough progress made over a 5 year period.

As for perception, I've been saying it for years...all of these little incidents that some say, "ah, no big deal" all add up, especially for a team that has been losing for 20 straight years. And to insinuate that this training stuff isn't a big deal is wrong, IMO. When all of baseball is looking in your window laughing their collective asses off, it is a big deal. When your top prospects are disgusted with this imbecility and say so, it is a big deal. When parents are saying they don't want their sons to sign with the Pirates, it is a big deal. When players, regardless of their talent level, are being injured during these "training" sessions, it is a big deal. Is it any wonder why some free agents are hesitant to sign with this organization?

If Nutting wants to save face, he has to can the whole bunch. After all he says winning is important...and this crew ain't gettin' it done....


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 Post subject: Re: "Laughingstock..."
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PirateParrot wrote:
Barrys Dopers wrote:
RoxyChar wrote:
Keith Law having a field day at Bucs' expense today. "The Pirates are the laughinstock of the industry...it's embarrassing, truly embarrassing." Also, reported that Jameson Taillon hurt his knee during a military drill in 2010. Apparently he complained to his agent.

The problem with all this stuff is that perception is reality. Even if the military drills are blown out of proportion, it still furthers the notion that the Pirates are a AAA-type organization.


Yep and that is what matters. Whether you or I think this is a big deal is irrelevant. DK has beat the drum loud enough to achieve its purpose. If a better FO can be had and this is what drove that process then it will be worth it in the end. Really this FO has had so much bad pub that they should know better by now.

It shouldn't be hard to find a better front office. Maybe pay a bit more for a GM with a good track record for a change. This front office, on the whole, has failed. They have had positives for sure, but at the end of the day there hasn't been nearly enough progress made over a 5 year period.

As for perception, I've been saying it for years...all of these little incidents that some say, "ah, no big deal" all add up, especially for a team that has been losing for 20 straight years. And to insinuate that this training stuff isn't a big deal is wrong, IMO. When all of baseball is looking in your window laughing their collective asses off, it is a big deal. When your top prospects are disgusted with this imbecility and say so, it is a big deal. When parents are saying they don't want their sons to sign with the Pirates, it is a big deal. When players, regardless of their talent level, are being injured during these "training" sessions, it is a big deal. Is it any wonder why some free agents are hesitant to sign with this organization?

If Nutting wants to save face, he has to can the whole bunch. After all he says winning is important...and this crew ain't gettin' it done....


I'm definitely not insinuating that the training stuff isn't a big deal. We're pretty much all in agreement here. I think it's a mistake in both application and philosophy. My main point is that EVEN IF you think there's merit in that type of team building rah rah bullshit, it's STILL a mistake because the rest of the baseball world sees it that way. This nutjob Stark is actually arrogant enough to keep making a fool out of this organization despite the national scorn. Guess he just has no fear of being held accountable. Almost unheard of in the world of sports. Bucco land is a special kind of place though.


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