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 Post subject: Japanese HS fireballer
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:53 pm 
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http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/85329 ... opting-mlb

So if this kid falls under the international signings rules, is he not available to sign with a team until July 2nd? Also, if he falls under those rules, then he can't be signed for more than 2.9 million dollars by any team. So will this kid basically have every team offer the 2.9 million and get to pick whatever team he wants?

Time to wise up and have an international draft. That would take care of scenario's like this, and would also take care of Latin players claiming to be younger than they are, because they would want to be 18 and draftable as early as possible. Hell, you might end up with 16 year olds faking birth certificates to look like they are 18.


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 Post subject: Re: Japanese HS fireballer
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:54 pm 
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Mister Pittsburgh wrote:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8532919/japanese-high-school-fireballer-opting-mlb

So if this kid falls under the international signings rules, is he not available to sign with a team until July 2nd? Also, if he falls under those rules, then he can't be signed for more than 2.9 million dollars by any team. So will this kid basically have every team offer the 2.9 million and get to pick whatever team he wants?

Time to wise up and have an international draft. That would take care of scenario's like this, and would also take care of Latin players claiming to be younger than they are, because they would want to be 18 and draftable as early as possible. Hell, you might end up with 16 year olds faking birth certificates to look like they are 18.


He does fall under the International signing pool for 2012. Most teams have spent significant chunks of their money already. The Bucs signed the two de la Cruz's for 700k each and Yoel Gonzlaez for 350k. Thus, we have about $1.1 million left to offer. The Rangers have almost their entire $2.9 million due to the weird Jairo Beras situation, basically his contact was not counted against their pool.

That said, I wager that Otani is counting on a team being willing to go over the pool value and take penalties. Basically a team could offer whatever it wanted if it is willing to pay a 100% tax and limit the following year (2013) to 250k as a penalty.

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 Post subject: Re: Japanese HS fireballer
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:55 pm 
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Barrys Dopers wrote:
Mister Pittsburgh wrote:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8532919/japanese-high-school-fireballer-opting-mlb

So if this kid falls under the international signings rules, is he not available to sign with a team until July 2nd? Also, if he falls under those rules, then he can't be signed for more than 2.9 million dollars by any team. So will this kid basically have every team offer the 2.9 million and get to pick whatever team he wants?

Time to wise up and have an international draft. That would take care of scenario's like this, and would also take care of Latin players claiming to be younger than they are, because they would want to be 18 and draftable as early as possible. Hell, you might end up with 16 year olds faking birth certificates to look like they are 18.


He does fall under the International signing pool for 2012. Most teams have spent significant chunks of their money already. The Bucs signed the two de la Cruz's for 700k each and Yoel Gonzlaez for 350k. Thus, we have about $1.1 million left to offer. The Rangers have almost their entire $2.9 million due to the weird Jairo Beras situation, basically his contact was not counted against their pool.

That said, I wager that Otani is counting on a team being willing to go over the pool value and take penalties. Basically a team could offer whatever it wanted if it is willing to pay a 100% tax and limit the following year (2013) to 250k as a penalty.


Once again, maybe the type of risk we should take.


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 Post subject: Re: Japanese HS fireballer
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:56 pm 
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BTW, this kid is far from a sure thing like he is being hyped. His control is horrendous and his velocity is overstated. He's more of a 95 mph kid with a great frame, but little polish. Think Stetson Allie with a better SP build.

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 Post subject: Re: Japanese HS fireballer
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Barrys Dopers wrote:
BTW, this kid is far from a sure thing like he is being hyped. His control is horrendous and his velocity is overstated. He's more of a 95 mph kid with a great frame, but little polish. Think Stetson Allie with a better SP build.


So you're saying he'd make a great 3bman?


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 Post subject: Re: Japanese HS fireballer
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:04 pm 
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Barrys Dopers wrote:
BTW, this kid is far from a sure thing like he is being hyped. His control is horrendous and his velocity is overstated. He's more of a 95 mph kid with a great frame, but little polish. Think Stetson Allie with a better SP build.


Interesting. Financially may be worth the risk due to the amount of Japanese coverage he would garner and the advertising possibilities around the stadium.

Wonder how much heat this kid will take for bypassing the Japanese Pro League.

I was even wondering, and I know next to nothing regarding citizenship possibilities...but if this kid felt he was the real deal, or maybe even some other Japanese kid in the future, couldn't they bypass all the international rules crap and go play for the St. Paul Saints for one season, then be a free agent to sign for however much someone will pay with no rules?


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 Post subject: Re: Japanese HS fireballer
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Mister Pittsburgh wrote:
Interesting. Financially may be worth the risk due to the amount of Japanese coverage he would garner and the advertising possibilities around the stadium.


Is there much of an Asian population in Pittsburgh? If so, you are right.


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 Post subject: Re: Japanese HS fireballer
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:00 pm 
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Charleston_Charlies wrote:
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Interesting. Financially may be worth the risk due to the amount of Japanese coverage he would garner and the advertising possibilities around the stadium.


Is there much of an Asian population in Pittsburgh? If so, you are right.


No, but the Japanese have TV's and watch MLB. Believe it or not but there is a decent Asian population in Pittsburgh. Probably due to the universities and then they stay. Asians are good people.


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