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 Post subject: Re: Okay, get your package together!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:07 pm 
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Ryann wrote:
Okay a player's success at home is not solely because of the ballpark...
Once he gets comfy at a new home ballpark he could replicate those stats. He also plays road games at some very tough hitter's ballparks such as the Padre's stadium.

Really? When can we expect Jason Bay to become comfortable in New York?

It's not a matter of comfort. Some ballparks are great for hitters and bad for pitchers, like Arizona. Some are good for hitters and bad for pitchers, like PNC. EVERYBODY plays road games at the SAME ballparks, with the exception of their home field.

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 Post subject: Re: Okay, get your package together!
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:45 pm 
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Ryann wrote:
Okay a player's success at home is not solely because of the ballpark...
Once he gets comfy at a new home ballpark he could replicate those stats. He also plays road games at some very tough hitter's ballparks such as the Padre's stadium.

Upton still has insanely good power and could put up big numbers as a member of ANY major league team...The guy hasn't even hit the best years of his career...

Upton also plays many of his road games at extreme hitters parks, such as Coors Field in Colorado. The number of games he plays on the road in good and bad hitting environments evens out. They do not even out at home. And at home is the only place where we've seen this "insanely good power" from Upton. One has to wonder if Upton is really as good as he looks in AZ, or if he's just the next iteration of Kevin Mench.

It is true that Upton's best years may be ahead of him. The same could be said of Tabata. But Tabata is not getting paid over $10M per season. The risk is much easier to swallow with Tabata.

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 Post subject: Re: Okay, get your package together!
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:47 pm 
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Willton wrote:
Ryann wrote:
Okay a player's success at home is not solely because of the ballpark...
Once he gets comfy at a new home ballpark he could replicate those stats. He also plays road games at some very tough hitter's ballparks such as the Padre's stadium.

Upton still has insanely good power and could put up big numbers as a member of ANY major league team...The guy hasn't even hit the best years of his career...

Upton also plays many of his road games at extreme hitters parks, such as Coors Field in Colorado. The number of games he plays on the road in good and bad hitting environments evens out. They do not even out at home. And at home is the only place where we've seen this "insanely good power" from Upton. One has to wonder if Upton is really as good as he looks in AZ, or if he's just the next iteration of Kevin Mench.

It is true that Upton's best years may be ahead of him. The same could be said of Tabata. But Tabata is not getting paid over $10M per season. The risk is much easier to swallow with Tabata.

Please don't compare Justin Upton to Jose Tabata. That is a joke, and I don't care what ballpark either plays in. Tabata has hit a whopping 11 career HR's and this year became slow to boot. He is a couple years younger(allegedly) and that is the only thing he has going for him when compared to Upton. Oh yea...and of course the all mighty dollar. Always seems to come up when discussing the Pirates. Tabata's contract makes him "easier to swallow".

Again, I'm not craving the Pirates trade the farm for Justin Upton. However, if they could some how get the Dbacks to accept a more Pirate friendly deal then by all means Upton is the kind of "risk" they need to be taking.


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 Post subject: Re: Okay, get your package together!
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:27 pm 
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PirateParrot wrote:
Willton wrote:
Ryann wrote:
Okay a player's success at home is not solely because of the ballpark...
Once he gets comfy at a new home ballpark he could replicate those stats. He also plays road games at some very tough hitter's ballparks such as the Padre's stadium.

Upton still has insanely good power and could put up big numbers as a member of ANY major league team...The guy hasn't even hit the best years of his career...

Upton also plays many of his road games at extreme hitters parks, such as Coors Field in Colorado. The number of games he plays on the road in good and bad hitting environments evens out. They do not even out at home. And at home is the only place where we've seen this "insanely good power" from Upton. One has to wonder if Upton is really as good as he looks in AZ, or if he's just the next iteration of Kevin Mench.

It is true that Upton's best years may be ahead of him. The same could be said of Tabata. But Tabata is not getting paid over $10M per season. The risk is much easier to swallow with Tabata.

Please don't compare Justin Upton to Jose Tabata. That is a joke, and I don't care what ballpark either plays in. Tabata has hit a whopping 11 career HR's and this year became slow to boot. He is a couple years younger(allegedly) and that is the only thing he has going for him when compared to Upton. Oh yea...and of course the all mighty dollar. Always seems to come up when discussing the Pirates. Tabata's contract makes him "easier to swallow".

Again, I'm not craving the Pirates trade the farm for Justin Upton. However, if they could some how get the Dbacks to accept a more Pirate friendly deal then by all means Upton is the kind of "risk" they need to be taking.

Upton isn't a risk. Upton is an almost guaranteed loss.

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 Post subject: Re: Okay, get your package together!
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:54 pm 
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sisyphus wrote:
Upton isn't a risk. Upton is an almost guaranteed loss.

so his numbers are completely because of the ballpark? C'mon...
Obviously there is something with him that is causing the Dbacks to be shopping him, but you can't deny the numbers he has put up...and he's only 25.


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 Post subject: Re: Okay, get your package together!
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PirateParrot wrote:
sisyphus wrote:
Upton isn't a risk. Upton is an almost guaranteed loss.

so his numbers are completely because of the ballpark? C'mon...
Obviously there is something with him that is causing the Dbacks to be shopping him, but you can't deny the numbers he has put up...and he's only 25.

You are right: Upton's numbers cannot be denied. In Chase Field, Upton hits like Andrew McCutchen (.937 OPS at home). Everywhere else, he hits like Alex Presley (.731 OPS on the road). Those numbers cannot be denied.

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 Post subject: Re: Okay, get your package together!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:09 pm 
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PirateParrot wrote:
sisyphus wrote:
Upton isn't a risk. Upton is an almost guaranteed loss.

so his numbers are completely because of the ballpark? C'mon...
Obviously there is something with him that is causing the Dbacks to be shopping him, but you can't deny the numbers he has put up...and he's only 25.

Maybe the Dbacks want a guy who hits in more than half of their games every season.

A player's home park can have a profound effect on his yearly numbers..

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