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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:40 am 
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It's not because anyone is worried of a relapse, it's mostly because he's probably peaked as a player and just going to battle injuries into his 30's. And given his production, he's going to be due A LOT of money.


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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:47 am 
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Steelcurtain512 wrote:
It's not because anyone is worried of a relapse, it's mostly because he's probably peaked as a player and just going to battle injuries into his 30's. And given his production, he's going to be due A LOT of money.


This. He'll produce at around the same level as Cutch for about double the price... Heck, just look at the deal Jason Bay got. Granted it was by the Mets but the point still stands that the ROI is not nearly enough for this to make sense for a small market club.


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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
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I'd say no but I'd be excited if they signed him.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:09 am 
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He's never played 160 games. It's not like Texas doesn't have money anyways, he should just stay there where he already knows he can mash the ball.

As said, McCutchen can be a Hamilton-esque offensive player. And Pedro has 50 HR power if he puts everything together. We'd be better off going after Nick Swisher, or trading Hammer for someone.


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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:16 am 
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LetsGoMarauders wrote:
Is he still taking drugs? Rays dumped him years ago because of that.

That was many years ago, and as we can all see, he has cleaned up his act. Hamilton had a tremendous resurgence with Cincinnati 5 years ago, and after his trade to Texas, he's become the perennial All-Star you see today.

I would not be worried about the drugs. I would be most worried about his age and fragility. Hamilton is probably worth every penny in the short term, but he's a bad bet long term.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:53 am 
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SUPERCHARGED APE wrote:
I'd say no but I'd be excited if they signed him.

Agree with this...I would think the money that would be spent of Hamilton would be money that could be spent on a more important need of the team like pitching, catcher, shortstop, ect.
Is anyone else actually happy with the outfield the pirates currently have? I really like an outfield of Marte McCutchen Snider then with Tabata playing occasionally.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:56 am 
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My vote is "no." Anyone watching him over the last 1/4 of the season can't help but wonder what might be going on with him. Injury? Personal demons? Disinterest? The Rangers apparently don't want him back and - at least to me - that speaks volumes. They have the cash flow to retain a person of his capabilities and they see him on a daily basis.

For what its worth, ESPN reported this morning that the Red Sox will be courting him. For that reason alone, the Bucs will not be seriously considered as an option for him. The Red Sox need to make a splash to win back the fans and Hamilton would provide exactly what they are looking for. Hamilton would only consider the Pirates if he was looking at a one year contract to "rehabilitate" himself for a huge multi-year contract. Some team will spring big bucks for him. He will be far too expensive over a far too long of a contract.

Have to look at other scenarios.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
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Maybe chalk this up to 'small sample size' or 'cherry picking', but I seem to recall another former MVP Rangers OF'er hitting FA around age 30, being offered a HUGE long-term deal (which he amazingly refused!) and I don't think that worked out too well...

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
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Willton wrote:
LetsGoMarauders wrote:
Is he still taking drugs? Rays dumped him years ago because of that.

That was many years ago, and as we can all see, he has cleaned up his act. Hamilton had a tremendous resurgence with Cincinnati 5 years ago, and after his trade to Texas, he's become the perennial All-Star you see today.

I would not be worried about the drugs. I would be most worried about his age and fragility. Hamilton is probably worth every penny in the short term, but he's a bad bet long term.


Yeah, way too many questions about his health and any long term effects of those drug abuse years.

Even discussing this is an exercise in futility, we arn't going to be handing out $100 million to anyone. Forget it, move on.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
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Barrys Dopers wrote:
Even discussing this is an exercise in futility, we arn't going to be handing out $100 million to anyone. Forget it, move on.


The only potential and incredibly unlikely scenario where Hamilton plays for the Pirates is:
1. His free agent demands, including length of contract and yearly average, are so outrageous that no team is willing to meet his demands.
2. Hamilton and his agent are thorougly convinced that he needs one more year of "monster" production and no aberrant behavior (i.e. drunken escapades at a local watering hole) to prove to MLB that he is worthy of a long-term mega deal. They shift their strategy to get the best one-year deal possible.
3. After letting it be known that he is willing to sign a one-year deal, the Pirates are willing to pay more than any of the other 28 teams (the Rangers are boxed out right?) for one year's worth of services.
4. The Pirates pony up a huge contract because it is only for one year and, if Hamilton produces as hoped but the Pirates aren't contending, they could likely move him at the trade deadline to a team who needs a bat.

I put the chances of all of those happening at about .000001%. I won't rule it out completely simply because I would have completely ruled out the Bucs finishing below .500 when they were sitting at 16 games above .500 with an incredibly favorable schedule to finish the year. I would have never anticipated that the Astros would have finished stronger than the Bucs. Never, never, never . . . (going back into depressive state)

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:24 pm 
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VanSlick wrote:
Yay or Nay?

I saw on MLB Trade Rumors that the Pirates could be a player in getting Hamilton.

So, who would want us to take a chance and that financial commitment?

I think I would. Put him in RF.

I have no interest in adding a player who has to be chaperoned by a guy who caries his money for him, lest he fall back into bad habits.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
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IA Pirate wrote:
These are the types of risks the Pirates need to do. Their past ways are epic failures. If they can only get one free agent...make it count. Every free agent is a risk. Do it.

Not every free agent can wreck the Pirates budget for years if he decides to go back on drugs. This is exactly the type of risk that would be suicidal for a team like the Pirates.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
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sisyphus wrote:
IA Pirate wrote:
These are the types of risks the Pirates need to do. Their past ways are epic failures. If they can only get one free agent...make it count. Every free agent is a risk. Do it.

Not every free agent can wreck the Pirates budget for years if he decides to go back on drugs. This is exactly the type of risk that would be suicidal for a team like the Pirates.


The risk of having at least 10% of your payroll be wasted due to a relapse is a great risk for any team. The teams in bigger markets can absorb the hit much easier but I can't even see an organization like the Yankees taking on that risk. Cashman is too smart for that.

It'll be interesting to see where he goes. My prediction is a team like LA or the Mets who have boatloads of money and tend to make high risk, high reward moves.


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 Post subject: Re: Josh Hamilton
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JollyRoger wrote:
sisyphus wrote:
IA Pirate wrote:
These are the types of risks the Pirates need to do. Their past ways are epic failures. If they can only get one free agent...make it count. Every free agent is a risk. Do it.

Not every free agent can wreck the Pirates budget for years if he decides to go back on drugs. This is exactly the type of risk that would be suicidal for a team like the Pirates.


The risk of having at least 10% of your payroll be wasted due to a relapse is a great risk for any team. The teams in bigger markets can absorb the hit much easier but I can't even see an organization like the Yankees taking on that risk. Cashman is too smart for that.

It'll be interesting to see where he goes. My prediction is a team like LA or the Mets who have boatloads of money and tend to make high risk, high reward moves.

The Mets are hemorrhaging money as a result of the Madoff scam. Don't expect them to be big players in the FA market.

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