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 Post subject: Who should lose their job?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:09 pm 
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These last 2 seasons are absolutely unacceptable! Someone has to be to blame, which means someone should lose their job. I think the Candidates are:
FC
NH
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And I think the clear cut choice for getting fired is NH. The guy is a fucking idiot, he signs complete turds every offseason, his drafts pretty much suck, other then the no-brainer studs he drafts when he gets the luxury of a top 3 pick in his drafts. Look at these other guys they drop all this money on after those top picks. They all are busts. The whole system is a mess none of the players in the minors or majors can do the fundamentals. His trades have been for the most part as shitty as his free agent signings. He traded Jason Bay for 4 complete wastes. McLouth was traded for nothing. He traded Jose Bautista for freaking Robinson Diaz. The only acceptable trades this guy has to date are the Nady and Damaso Marte deal to the Yankees, and the AJ Burnett trade. The others ones didn't help the ballclub thusfar (although I like the Snyder trade).
Fire this dumbass NH some of the moves he made are in Dave Littlefield territory.

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 Post subject: Re: Who should lose their job?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:18 pm 
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can we fire the owner?


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 Post subject: Re: Who should lose their job?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:20 pm 
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Clevelandsux wrote:
can we fire the owner?

That would certainly help solve the problem. He is raking in all these profits every season off of this ballclub, and ALOT of that money is not being reinvested into the team...
He ordered the players to attend that charity skeetshooting bullshit during the heat of the playoff race on one of their only off days too!

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 Post subject: Re: Who should lose their job?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:24 pm 
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Ryann wrote:
Someone has to be to blame, ...


Well, on July 25th you made only your second post of the new year in your return to the board and the Bucs are 19-33 since:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9587&p=115029#p115029

And on Aug 20th I purchased a ticket for the last two games of the year and the Bucs are 7-20 since.

So as long as we are throwing around blame I'll accept my role in this year. How about you?

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his team needs charity.


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 Post subject: Re: Who should lose their job?
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NSMaster56 wrote:
Ryann wrote:
Someone has to be to blame, ...


Well, on July 25th you made only your second post of the new year in your return to the board and the Bucs are 19-33 since:

http://www.pittsburghsports.net/viewtop ... 29#p115029

And on Aug 20th I purchased a ticket for the last two games of the year and the Bucs are 7-20 since.

So as long as we are throwing around blame I'll accept my role in this year. How about you?

I guarantee this team wouldn't have had such a big slide IF they would have went out and made a statement trade and gotten Ramirez. Nah Hurdle loves his Barmes so they couldn't do that...Plus Nutting didn't wanna take that much cash outta his profits!

This team is such a joke, and all the dumbass fans who allow themselves to be spoon-fed by management are looking quite dumb, especially since their hero NH has clearly done a poor job.

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 Post subject: Re: Who should lose their job?
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Ryann wrote:
I guarantee this team wouldn't have had such a big slide IF they would have went out and made a statement trade and gotten Ramirez.


LAD: 24-26 since July 25th, when they acquired Hanley Ramirez.

Man, that Han-Ram kid has sure done a good job lowering the Dodgers win PCT!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Who should lose their job?
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well...it was a "statement trade"...not a results trade.


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 Post subject: Re: Who should lose their job?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:58 pm 
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If NH is retained, it speaks volumes in my mind.

Who can say if NH is being given a free hand or is being mostly told what to do by Nutting?
If Nutting is truly calling the shots, the only reason to fire NH is to provide a whipping boy
for the masses.

I know Hurdle said he would only accept the job if the owner is All In. It sure didn't seem
like the owner met that requirement this year to me.


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NSMaster56 wrote:
Ryann wrote:
I guarantee this team wouldn't have had such a big slide IF they would have went out and made a statement trade and gotten Ramirez.


LAD: 24-26 since July 25th, when they acquired Hanley Ramirez.

Man, that Han-Ram kid has sure done a good job lowering the Dodgers win PCT!!!

24-26 would have been great baseball for this pirate team!!!
And anyway Ramirez himself has performed well, and he would have filled the biggest whole on the team at shortstop.

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 Post subject: Re: Who should lose their job?
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You do know they will finish with a better record this season than they did last season.

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 Post subject: Re: Who should lose their job?
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The ugliness of the collapse (two years running) in my view is more important
IRT the future direction vice any good feelings brought by the good playing streak.

Are you saying they should keep a pat hand going forward and hope that they
can somehow regain form next season?


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 Post subject: Re: Who should lose their job?
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rwjcgc wrote:
The ugliness of the collapse (two years running) in my view is more important
IRT the future direction vice any good feelings brought by the good playing streak.

Are you saying they should keep a pat hand going forward and hope that they
can somehow regain form next season?


The question is were you saying the same thing last season? Let's say we played .500 ball all season. Never more than 5 games over .500, never 5 games under .500. Do you think everyone's reaction would be the same?

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 Post subject: Re: Who should lose their job?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:42 pm 
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Clint Barmes and Rod Barajas....


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 Post subject: Re: Who should lose their job?
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The question is were you saying the same thing last season? Let's say we played .500 ball all season. Never more than 5 games over .500, never 5 games under .500. Do you think everyone's reaction would be the same?[/quote]


I think your scenario would definitely be more acceptable by most fans vice the fantastic run follow
by epic collapse that followed. Seeing it happen fairly similarly two years in a row would seem to
be an actionable trend to me. I can see the argument that NH is a bit clean, the players he assembled
proved "able" to play winning ball but the big question is why did they collapse and especially 2 years running.

Based on that line of thinking Hurdle has to go ... Perhaps they can get him a rocking chair near the
entrance and he can spin yarns on how to put the barrel on the ball, how to blow extremely large
bubblegum bubbles, etc. Just kidding, I know many fans really love him and he seems like
a really nice guy.


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 Post subject: Re: Who should lose their job?
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would you rather have jim tracy or john russell back? lol


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 Post subject: Re: Who should lose their job?
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fuzzy159 wrote:
Clint Barmes and Rod Barajas....



Not the cause of the collapse.

Not saying they help, but not the cause. This team was 16 over .500 in August with Barajas playing like he plays now and Barmes playing worse than he is playing now.

The cause of this collapse is simple....

McCutchen losing his clutch
Walker's injury
McDonald's collapse
Karsten's injury
The bullpen's collapse

I'm not saying NH shouldn't be put on probation for next year....BUT, he put together a team that was 16 over in August and acquired upgrades at the trade deadline without selling the farm. I don't think the GM should be crucified for a collapse in late August. If anything, that's coaching.


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 Post subject: Re: Who should lose their job?
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bucco boy wrote:
rwjcgc wrote:
The ugliness of the collapse (two years running) in my view is more important
IRT the future direction vice any good feelings brought by the good playing streak.

Are you saying they should keep a pat hand going forward and hope that they
can somehow regain form next season?


The question is were you saying the same thing last season? Let's say we played .500 ball all season. Never more than 5 games over .500, never 5 games under .500. Do you think everyone's reaction would be the same?


THIS.

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 Post subject: Re: Who should lose their job?
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NSMaster56 wrote:
bucco boy wrote:
rwjcgc wrote:
The ugliness of the collapse (two years running) in my view is more important
IRT the future direction vice any good feelings brought by the good playing streak.

Are you saying they should keep a pat hand going forward and hope that they
can somehow regain form next season?


The question is were you saying the same thing last season? Let's say we played .500 ball all season. Never more than 5 games over .500, never 5 games under .500. Do you think everyone's reaction would be the same?


THIS.


Last year's collapse and this year's collapse in my mind are completely different. Last year we had a ton of injuries, even the hitters we acquired got hurt. Those injuries mounted to the point that we just couldn't over come it.

This year is just such a huge mystery. Some of it bad luck, some of it "focus", some of it is just who knows.

The only constant between last year and this year is McCutchen's inability to hit after the all-star break. I say next year he skips the mid-summer classic and see if that helps.


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 Post subject: Re: Who should lose their job?
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rellimie wrote:
Last year's collapse and this year's collapse in my mind are completely different.

This year is just such a huge mystery. Some of it bad luck, some of it "focus", some of it is just who knows.


Yup.

Add some pitching (FA, trade or call-ups), drop the dead weight (Barajas for sure), maybe add a quality bat and the last 62 games of next season will probably be closer to the first 100 of the last two.

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