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 Post subject: Re: Even Nutting is Pissed
PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:38 pm 
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fuzzy159 wrote:
You guys got a small taste of success and are getting way too greedy. NH has us on the right path.


This.

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 Post subject: Re: Even Nutting is Pissed
PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:58 pm 
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Im just tired of making excuses for this team. Maybe if nuttings would open that well in his pocket and get some quality players they might have a chance. Nuttings has no one to blame but himself.


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 Post subject: Re: Even Nutting is Pissed
PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:34 pm 
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Clevelandsux wrote:
Im just tired of making excuses for this team. Maybe if nuttings would open that well in his pocket and get some quality players they might have a chance. Nuttings has no one to blame but himself.


Cheap Nuttings! :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Even Nutting is Pissed
PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:57 pm 
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Nutting is pissed and so am I........ 8-) 8-) 8-)


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 Post subject: Re: Even Nutting is Pissed
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:15 am 
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NSMaster56 wrote:
fuzzy159 wrote:
You guys got a small taste of success and are getting way too greedy. NH has us on the right path.


This.


A multitude of baseball men would 'have us on the right path' simply by picking in the top 3 most years with an open pocket for signing picks. Let's get real here. Rene Gayo has landed us nearly as many prospects while having the same open pocket.


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 Post subject: Re: Even Nutting is Pissed
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:32 am 
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Mister Pittsburgh wrote:
NSMaster56 wrote:
fuzzy159 wrote:
You guys got a small taste of success and are getting way too greedy. NH has us on the right path.


This.


A multitude of baseball men would 'have us on the right path' simply by picking in the top 3 most years with an open pocket for signing picks. Let's get real here. Rene Gayo has landed us nearly as many prospects while having the same open pocket.


I was going to post a long reply, trying to be as objective as possible about the NH era, but you know what? I don't even care right now.

You fans can bicker amongst yourselves.

I will be at PNC the last two games of the season, proudly sporting black and gold.

All I want to do is stand by this baseball team until the end.

It was one hell of a run until it wasn't and I'm not about to start chicken little-ing.

Whoever the GM, coach and/or players are next year, I will gladly support those cats, too.

The sting of these last 46 games and 16 yet to be played will last as long as we let them.

The sooner the players, fans and staff get the f*ck over this 'inner demon' BS and get back to focusing on the game the sooner we all can move on and take the next step toward greatness.

I firmly believe that failure, not success, builds character. If true, then this team and you fans should have an extra crap load of character the next 16 games of 2012 and all 162+ of 2013.

It's up to each respective party to decide if that will be the case.

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 Post subject: Re: Even Nutting is Pissed
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I'm not sold on hanging Nutting, Huntington or Hurdle for this. The failure rests solely on the players for not producing down the stretch. If you want to argue they're incapable, I vehemently disagree. We watched them do it 2/3rds of the year.

And 2/3rds isn't good enough.

I'm bitterly disappointed in the way things have turned out this season, but I thoroughly enjoyed it up until the All Star break. It's going to seriously suck if we finish below .500. I'll be devastated in the sporting sense.

I still plan on going to work today though.

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 Post subject: Re: Even Nutting is Pissed
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:37 am 
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bucco boy wrote:
Clevelandsux wrote:
Im just tired of making excuses for this team. Maybe if nuttings would open that well in his pocket and get some quality players they might have a chance. Nuttings has no one to blame but himself.


Cheap Nuttings! :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Even Nutting is Pissed
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:44 am 
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Thanks for holding off on the long reply. I'm not bickering with anyone so don't try and get all high and mighty seperating yourself as some elite fan referring to others as 'you fans'. I'm stating facts. The only draft NH went outside the box landed us Tony Sanchez and a bunch of overslot HS arms most of which have proven to be about average to below average. Every other impact prospect we have from the draft could of been selected by any GM with a baseball america draft prospect ranking article and Nuttings open pocket.


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Mister Pittsburgh wrote:
Thanks for holding off on the long reply. I'm not bickering with anyone so don't try and get all high and mighty seperating yourself as some elite fan referring to others as 'you fans'. I'm stating facts. The only draft NH went outside the box landed us Tony Sanchez and a bunch of overslot HS arms most of which have proven to be about average to below average. Every other impact prospect we have from the draft could of been selected by any GM with a baseball america draft prospect ranking article and Nuttings open pocket.


Correction, any GM not named Dave Littlefield (see Bullington, Bryan).

In fairness, NH tried to go outside the box this year, of course it didn't work. Really he has been among the 5 or so GMs that really went overslot every draft. The problem seems to lie in inherent draft risk (which NH has over built fan expectations) and in player development. Drafting so many high risk/high reward HS arms is going to result in some shaky draft classes.

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 Post subject: Re: Even Nutting is Pissed
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Isn't it ironic that on all the media pre-season shows...all the talk was about "FINISH" (t-shirts and bs like that) and that is the exact thing this team didn't do. This one hurts a bit more this year as I truly believed the team was beyond falling apart like this...


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bucco boy wrote:
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He traded one guy and the entire pitching staff fell apart? I can't say that blew anything to smithereens.


NH traded Lincoln and brought in Chad Qualls. The bullpen and season promptly fell apart.


What does that have to do with everyone in the bullpen who was pitching well all season? Are you saying they are started to suck because Lincoln got traded? Might be just me, but I am not seeing how Lincoln affects anyone else.



With Lincoln the Piraters seemed to have the right people in the right bullpen place. Without him, it seems they do not. As you say, why would everyone start to suck because Lincoln got traded? Maybe because they don't have the mental makeup (or physical skill) for the roles that fell to them. Isn't that the"art" of putting a bullpen together? It seems to me that there is some "chemistry" involved. Countless successful setup men fail as a closer. Hammer does not pitch well when he is not in a save situation. Same guys. Different outcomes.


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 Post subject: Re: Even Nutting is Pissed
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Mister Pittsburgh wrote:
I'm not bickering with anyone so don't try and get all high and mighty seperating yourself as some elite fan referring to others as 'you fans'.


I'm not trying to 'draw lines' or claim I'm 'a better fan', I'm just sick of this 'woe is us!' crap. It's Cleveland esque.

I can stand losing games; it's part of the game (and it's just a game). But the internal combustion and strife in/between the fans, media and team is just pathetic.

Losing, and all the petty drama therein, only matters if you let it. Clearly this team has let it and the fans followed thereafter.

It shows a stunning lack of maturity and character for all parties involved.

I'm tired of the negativity and I don't want to participate in it further.

Everyone involved with the Pirates needs to forget these last two months and focus on the last 14 (now 13) games.

That's how you solve the problem.

This team needs to quit crying and worrying and do something.

And fans need to chill. These aren't the DL Pirates. This too shall pass.

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 Post subject: Re: Even Nutting is Pissed
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NSMaster56 wrote:

I'm tired of the negativity.

Everyone involved with the Pirates needs to forget these last two months.

um....it's 20 years.....20.....years. And I don't care whether this idiot GM was here for all of them or not. The fans have been, and this collapse is just the cherry on top of this crap sundae.


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 Post subject: Re: Even Nutting is Pissed
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Scene: Nutting and buddies on the Titanic

Nutting: What is that racket?
NH: Don't worry, nothing that rearranging the deck chairs won't fix.
Hurdle: Barajas, where's my BubbleYum?!!!
Leyva: Hurd, why is my room in Steerage with Cutch?


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 Post subject: Re: Even Nutting is Pissed
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PirateParrot wrote:
NSMaster56 wrote:

I'm tired of the negativity.

Everyone involved with the Pirates needs to forget these last two months.

um....it's 20 years.....20.....years. And I don't care whether this idiot GM was here for all of them or not. The fans have been, and this collapse is just the cherry on top of this crap sundae.


Allowing the past to matter is what doomed this season.

No one can change the[ir] past. They can, however, shape the[ir] future.

Yesterday's gone. Do something [starting] today.

As long as this team (and subsequently the fanbase) 'can't get out of its own head' and focuses on the past, it will fail.

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 Post subject: Re: Even Nutting is Pissed
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NSMaster56 wrote:
Allowing the past to matter is what doomed this season.

No one can change the[ir] past. They can, however, shape the[ir] future.

Yesterday's gone. Do something [starting] today.

As long as this team (and subsequently the fanbase) 'can't get out of its own head' and focuses on the past, it will fail.


I get it but I'm pretty sure my frustrations or my cheerfulness won't help Pedro Alvarez hit a slider or help James McDonald from walking the leadoff batter.

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 Post subject: Re: Even Nutting is Pissed
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IA Pirate wrote:
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Allowing the past to matter is what doomed this season.

No one can change the[ir] past. They can, however, shape the[ir] future.

Yesterday's gone. Do something [starting] today.

As long as this team (and subsequently the fanbase) 'can't get out of its own head' and focuses on the past, it will fail.


I get it but I'm pretty sure my frustrations or my cheerfulness won't help Pedro Alvarez hit a slider or help James McDonald from walking the leadoff batter.


Like I said, the team needs to recognize error of theii 'moroseness', too (and most importantly) and 'actualize'.

Luckily there are still 13 games this year and 162 next year to do so.

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 Post subject: Re: Even Nutting is Pissed
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I'd be more inclined to follow this line of thinking if they hadn't completely fallen apart
2 years in a row. To be perfectly blunt, I think you are seeing the true level of talent/
clutch ability rearing it's head.

Just like all of the major sports, all of the MLB teams have players of similar athletic ability
in what can be measured. ALL of these guys (compared to the average guy: can run
like deer, hit the ball a long ways, etc.). The difference between the players lies in the ability to perform
consistently as a professional athlete, especially under pressure against other players
who have the ability to stop them. Be honest, how many players on this team would
start on any of the teams leading the various divisions?

Sidebar - Watch the play of this bunch suddenly improve when the pressure of finishing .500 is
gone (read as unattainable, not when they clinch it). It is going to be infuriating but predictable.


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 Post subject: Re: Even Nutting is Pissed
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[quote="rwjcgc Sidebar - Watch the play of this bunch suddenly improve when the pressure of finishing .500 is
gone (read as unattainable, not when they clinch it). It is going to be infuriating but predictable.[/quote]

there are only 13 games left, dude.


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