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 Post subject: It couldn't be any worse than this
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:12 pm 
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if they had just played around .500 ball, a few games up, a few games down here and there. They still would've drawn good crowds in June and July.

But No

Sixteen games over .500 and they completely fold again, two years in a row. This one is worse than last year. Twenty seasons under .500, a national laughing stock.

Can't wait till they are a few games up next July and the national media. "The Pirates? Oh Yeah.... HA.....HA...Ha! They'll get it right this time!"

Disgraceful! I'm done!


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 Post subject: Re: It couldn't be any worse than this
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Don't blame him for being frustrated. I feel the same. How a once proud franchise has fallen so far. How a team that played so well before the all-star break can't even eek out a win anymore.

I blame management for this. They are not committed to winning. They brought up a bunch of minor leaguers not quite ready for the majors. Teams do this when they are 20 games out (which we are close to now), not when they are in a pennant race. Wish we had a billy bean type gm. The pirates seem to be more interested in what bargain cheap players they can get, other than producing a winner.

Im tired of hearing this small market crap. I went to the pirates-marlins series in july. PNC was so packed you could not move. All the ownership wants is to fool the fanbase into supporting them again. Then have them fold in the end. Pirates fans deserve better!


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Clevelandsux wrote:
Pirates fans deserve better!


Can I hear an "Amen Brother"?


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 Post subject: Re: It couldn't be any worse than this
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Im tired of hearing this small market crap. I went to the pirates-marlins series in july. PNC was so packed you could not move.



It ain't crap. Its based on media revenue and we don't get near as much out of a TV deal as LAA or TEX, just a fact. If you can't accept that you might as well cheer for a different team. The Pirates will always be in the bottom 3rd in payroll unless the heaven's shake and a cap is introduced.

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 Post subject: Re: It couldn't be any worse than this
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if they had just played around .500 ball, a few games up, a few games down here and there. They still would've drawn good crowds in June and July.

But No

Sixteen games over .500 and they completely fold again, two years in a row. This one is worse than last year. Twenty seasons under .500, a national laughing stock.

Can't wait till they are a few games up next July and the national media. "The Pirates? Oh Yeah.... HA.....HA...Ha! They'll get it right this time!"

Disgraceful! I'm done!


Why is it that we focus on the bad and not the good to the point of ranting like this? As a fan, wasn't 16 games over a hell of a lot of fun. I was at a lot of games during that mid summer stretch and I had a blast. Sure, I'm pissed now, but it doesn't erase how much fun the team brought me earlier this year. Its such a common mentality around here, I'm done with them, yeah right, you're done until the next winning streak.

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 Post subject: Re: It couldn't be any worse than this
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Alot of small market teams have had success in the past 20 years. The twins have been to the playoffs, so have the A"s. The Padres went to a world series in 1998. The brewers have been to the playoffs in recent years. No they may not be the Yankees, or red sox or braves. But they have not consistantly lost like the pirates have. In fact nobody has consistantly lost like the pirates have in the past 20 years.

Its crap ownership is why the Pirates have been so bad for so long.


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 Post subject: Re: It couldn't be any worse than this
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Barrys Dopers wrote:

Why is it that we focus on the bad and not the good to the point of ranting like this? As a fan, wasn't 16 games over a hell of a lot of fun. I was at a lot of games during that mid summer stretch and I had a blast. Sure, I'm pissed now, but it doesn't erase how much fun the team brought me earlier this year. Its such a common mentality around here, I'm done with them, yeah right, you're done until the next winning streak.


it's not how you start. its how you finish.


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Clevelandsux wrote:
Alot of small market teams have had success in the past 20 years. The twins have been to the playoffs, so have the A"s. The Padres went to a world series in 1998. The brewers have been to the playoffs in recent years. No they may not be the Yankees, or red sox or braves. But they have not consistantly lost like the pirates have. In fact nobody has consistantly lost like the pirates have in the past 20 years.

Its crap ownership is why the Pirates have been so bad for so long.


I don't disagree with any of that, but you had questioned the validity of us being a small market.

Or more elegantly put - its the journey not the destination that matters.

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Clevelandsux wrote:
Barrys Dopers wrote:

Why is it that we focus on the bad and not the good to the point of ranting like this? As a fan, wasn't 16 games over a hell of a lot of fun. I was at a lot of games during that mid summer stretch and I had a blast. Sure, I'm pissed now, but it doesn't erase how much fun the team brought me earlier this year. Its such a common mentality around here, I'm done with them, yeah right, you're done until the next winning streak.


it's not how you start. its how you finish.


Only 1 team wins the Championship, theye are many shades of grey between that and losing 100+ games. The finish doesn't eliminate the experience along the way.

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 Post subject: Re: It couldn't be any worse than this
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Finishing with a winning record would go along way with this franchise. Not a second straight total collapse.


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 Post subject: Re: It couldn't be any worse than this
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Clevelandsux wrote:
Finishing with a winning record would go along way with this franchise. Not a second straight total collapse.



I agree, I am not in the camp that says a winning record is unimportant.

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 Post subject: Re: It couldn't be any worse than this
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Barrys Dopers wrote:
J.D. wrote:
if they had just played around .500 ball, a few games up, a few games down here and there. They still would've drawn good crowds in June and July.

But No

Sixteen games over .500 and they completely fold again, two years in a row. This one is worse than last year. Twenty seasons under .500, a national laughing stock.

Can't wait till they are a few games up next July and the national media. "The Pirates? Oh Yeah.... HA.....HA...Ha! They'll get it right this time!"

Disgraceful! I'm done!


Why is it that we focus on the bad and not the good to the point of ranting like this? As a fan, wasn't 16 games over a hell of a lot of fun. I was at a lot of games during that mid summer stretch and I had a blast. Sure, I'm pissed now, but it doesn't erase how much fun the team brought me earlier this year. Its such a common mentality around here, I'm done with them, yeah right, you're done until the next winning streak.


It's because the letdown has been so dramatic. We really thought we had a good team. Now we don't. We really thought we were going to break the streak. Now it looks like we are not.


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 Post subject: Re: It couldn't be any worse than this
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they look like they can't even win a game anymore.


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 Post subject: Re: It couldn't be any worse than this
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They may not..... :o :o :o


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 Post subject: Re: It couldn't be any worse than this
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Barrys Dopers wrote:
Clevelandsux wrote:

Im tired of hearing this small market crap. I went to the pirates-marlins series in july. PNC was so packed you could not move.



It ain't crap. Its based on media revenue and we don't get near as much out of a TV deal as LAA or TEX, just a fact. If you can't accept that you might as well cheer for a different team. The Pirates will always be in the bottom 3rd in payroll unless the heaven's shake and a cap is introduced.


Who is the fucking moron that signed the 18 million a year TV contract on a 10 YEAR DEAL when our talent stream was just starting to emerge from the minors? Talk about short sighted!!!

http://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sp ... z26U2Ul6Wp

You think last year & this year we are still 23rd?


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 Post subject: Re: It couldn't be any worse than this
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Wasn't it the locked in TV deal that turned Pittsburgh native and deep pocket Dallas maverick owner away from buying the team. Or part of it? Do owners even make profit on this game? My economics are terrible.


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 Post subject: Re: It couldn't be any worse than this
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J.D. wrote:
if they had just played around .500 ball, a few games up, a few games down here and there. They still would've drawn good crowds in June and July.

But No

Sixteen games over .500 and they completely fold again, two years in a row. This one is worse than last year. Twenty seasons under .500, a national laughing stock.

Can't wait till they are a few games up next July and the national media. "The Pirates? Oh Yeah.... HA.....HA...Ha! They'll get it right this time!"

Disgraceful! I'm done!


it couldn't get any worse? just wait!We still have 19 games left!


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 Post subject: Re: It couldn't be any worse than this
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Mister Pittsburgh wrote:

Who is the fucking moron that signed the 18 million a year TV contract on a 10 YEAR DEAL when our talent stream was just starting to emerge from the minors? Talk about short sighted!!!

http://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sp ... z26U2Ul6Wp

You think last year & this year we are still 23rd?


don't understand how the tv contracts and market revenue goes. but when did they sign this contract?


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 Post subject: Re: It couldn't be any worse than this
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Thing is, I am not even upset about the team tanking after the break again. I was at first when it started, but now it just feels like 'this is what being a Pirate fan feels like' and I just don't care. :(


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