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 Post subject: Hurdle is a genius....
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:08 am 
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...no, wait he's an idiot. I wonder if I'll break my legs jumping off this wagon?


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 Post subject: Re: Hurdle is a genius....
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Why did he sit José Tábata? He always does that.. sits guys when they get hot.

If we finish below .500 Hurdle has to be canned. He needs to take Barmes and Barajas wherever he goes.


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Ollie wrote:
Why did he sit José Tábata? He always does that.. sits guys when they get hot.

If we finish below .500 Hurdle has to be canned. He needs to take Barmes and Barajas wherever he goes.


Again, why do people blame Barmes and Barajas for this? I don't get it. Yes I know they can't hit very well but we were 16 over when they weren't hitting. They aren't the issue.


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 Post subject: Re: Hurdle is a genius....
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I'm not saying Hurdle isn't completely without blame but he isn't out there swinging the bats or throwing the pitches. I don't blame coaches for something that players know how to do. We know certain hitters can hit a certain way, play a certain level of defense, and pitch a certain way.

Everyone cried because we had all these AAA pitchers and the Bucs management didn't want to win because they weren't being called up. Everyone thought that when they said they weren't ready it was just an excuse. Well I've watched them the past few weeks and they really aren't anything special. In fact they really don't look ready.

Again, Hurdle and Neal aren't without blame but I put this on the players. We had a good enough team (even with Barmes and Barajas) to finish over 500 and stay in this race. All of that may still happen, but the players need to take a look in the mirror before be t year and figure out why come August and September they seem to crack under pressure.


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It just happens to be much easier to replace the manager than to replace all of the players. So I think he's going to be shown the door unless things turn around in a hurry.

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 Post subject: Re: Hurdle is a genius....
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I'm sorry....I think some of you missed my point. I wasn't expressing my opinion of Hurdle, in fact I support him. I was speaking as if I were among the masses here and on talk radio who have gone 180 degrees on him.

Hurdle goes with his gut a little too much (that's how I coached, too)...he could use a good strategist on his bench. But he is the best manager we have had here since Leyland, and he is NOT the problem. In fact, there may not be a problem at all, it is simply frustrating that these guys have hit the same wall they hit last year about 4 weeks later in the season. They are coming back to where everyone thought they belonged in March.

It is difficult to watch after seeing the potential in May-July. But the potential is still there; the learning curve is still in process; the list of needs to fill with no resource for filling them is getting shorter.

My original post was sarcastic, intended to make fun of the throng of fans who were making backward "Z"s in July but are now spouting that nothing has changed. If you can't see the change, you ain't paying attention.


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rellimie wrote:
Ollie wrote:
Why did he sit José Tábata? He always does that.. sits guys when they get hot.

If we finish below .500 Hurdle has to be canned. He needs to take Barmes and Barajas wherever he goes.


Again, why do people blame Barmes and Barajas for this? I don't get it. Yes I know they can't hit very well but we were 16 over when they weren't hitting. They aren't the issue.


Rel, we were 16 over because Cutch and Walker were hitting so incredibly well that it made up for their sucking. Considering we spent over $12 million on them, they are very high on the list of who to blame.

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 Post subject: Re: Hurdle is a genius....
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I wasn't crazy about Clement pinch hitting with two outs in the ninth of a 1 run game. Yeah...he got a hit. But why run a .063 hitter out there when you have two outs?


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rellimie wrote:
Ollie wrote:
Why did he sit José Tábata? He always does that.. sits guys when they get hot.

If we finish below .500 Hurdle has to be canned. He needs to take Barmes and Barajas wherever he goes.


Again, why do people blame Barmes and Barajas for this? I don't get it. Yes I know they can't hit very well but we were 16 over when they weren't hitting. They aren't the issue.


Wait what....

That doesn't make them not the issue lol. Barmes and his 12:95 bb:k ratio definitely is an issue.


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VanSlick wrote:
I wasn't crazy about Clement pinch hitting with two outs in the ninth of a 1 run game. Yeah...he got a hit. But why run a .063 hitter out there when you have two outs?


You can't judge him on that small sample size. Based on yesterday's stats, he gets a hit every time he bats.


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 Post subject: Re: Hurdle is a genius....
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I see the same Clement we've seen in the past. Can't catch up to MLB pitching, except the rare HR between K's.

The guy is a AAAA player, at best.


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 Post subject: Re: Hurdle is a genius....
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True enough, he has not become a different person.


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 Post subject: Re: Hurdle is a genius....
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fuzzy159 wrote:
rellimie wrote:
Ollie wrote:
Why did he sit José Tábata? He always does that.. sits guys when they get hot.

If we finish below .500 Hurdle has to be canned. He needs to take Barmes and Barajas wherever he goes.


Again, why do people blame Barmes and Barajas for this? I don't get it. Yes I know they can't hit very well but we were 16 over when they weren't hitting. They aren't the issue.


Wait what....

That doesn't make them not the issue lol. Barmes and his 12:95 bb:k ratio definitely is an issue.


I'm not saying that they are not part of the issue. But they aren't at the top.


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rellimie wrote:
fuzzy159 wrote:
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Again, why do people blame Barmes and Barajas for this? I don't get it. Yes I know they can't hit very well but we were 16 over when they weren't hitting. They aren't the issue.


Wait what....

That doesn't make them not the issue lol. Barmes and his 12:95 bb:k ratio definitely is an issue.


I'm not saying that they are not part of the issue. But they aren't at the top.

If they aren't at the top, who is? Barmes and Barajas are getting paid rather handsome contracts to play baseball for the Pirates, and their performance does not justify their respective salaries. Yes, the Pirates were winning in June and July despite their poor play, but now that McCutchen, McKenry and Jones have come back down to earth a bit, the lack of production from the SS and C positions has become magnified. If the Pirates had average hitters in place of Barmes and Barajas, I could see us with at least 4 more wins this season, which would put us in the 2nd Wild Card spot.

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 Post subject: Re: Hurdle is a genius....
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i think hurdle might be applying at walmart shortly. huntington too,


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 Post subject: Re: Hurdle is a genius....
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The only way I see Hurdle getting the axe is if this team stumbles out of the gate next year.

Whether or not that will happen or if I agree with it is another matter.

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NSMaster56 wrote:
The only way I see Hurdle getting the axe is if this team stumbles out of the gate next year.

Whether or not that will happen or if I agree with it is another matter.

Even just a couple of days ago I might have agreed; however the recent uninspired play of the entire team makes me wonder. Unless a shocking turnaround occurs, I think Hurdle might need to worry.


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 Post subject: Re: Hurdle is a genius....
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Chris Anderson wrote:
NSMaster56 wrote:
The only way I see Hurdle getting the axe is if this team stumbles out of the gate next year.

Whether or not that will happen or if I agree with it is another matter.

Even just a couple of days ago I might have agreed; however the recent uninspired play of the entire team makes me wonder. Unless a shocking turnaround occurs, I think Hurdle might need to worry.


It's possible, but... I think perhaps too reactionary.

I mean, would it be the 'right' move? What other managers are out there? Who can step in and provide what Hurdle so clearly has the first 80-100 games (the last 2 years) AND THEN get this potential-laden, slowly bonding team to the 'promised land'?

Hurdle has probably done just enough to buy himself time into next April/May.

Unless, of course, the Bucs do not win another game... But that's not going to happen. He'll hit/crack 81 and then the expectations will be the moon, at which point the axe sharpening can/will begin.

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 Post subject: Re: Hurdle is a genius....
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NSMaster56 wrote:

I mean, would it be the 'right' move? What other managers are out there? Who can step in and provide what Hurdle so clearly has the first 80-100 games (the last 2 years) AND THEN get this potential-laden, slowly bonding team to the 'promised land'?

Hurdle has probably done just enough to buy himself time into next April/May.

Unless, of course, the Bucs do not win another game... But that's not going to happen. He'll hit/crack 81 and then the expectations will be the moon, at which point the axe sharpening can/will begin.

I hear Bobby Valentine might be available soon :twisted: :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: Hurdle is a genius....
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I think Clint Hurdle is one of the best Managers in MLB. Flame away...


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