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 Post subject: Re: 9/10/12 Pirates (72-67) at Reds (84-57)
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:32 am 
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val wrote:
It's getting silly now. I don't think I knew that Rick vandenHurk was even on the team. No one else did, either. SI GameFlash has a picture of him in an Orioles hat while ESPN GameCast lists him as a Cleveland Indian. Talk about getting no respect....


You'll get that with September call-ups.


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 Post subject: Re: 9/10/12 Pirates (72-67) at Reds (84-57)
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:35 am 
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Damn...

But we really didn't anyone left to play much longer...


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:39 am 
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Barmes makes that play


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:40 am 
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It is hard to comprehend how cursed this franchise is. The torture is getting so close to the brass ring only to have someone hit you over the head with a baseball bat at the last minute. This one is going to be hard to recover from. Pulling Wandy was the kiss of death but bases freaking loaded NO OUTS and can't scratch out a run is devistating. 5 games over .500 and I will be stunned if they come out of this series with one win. SOOO FRUSTRATING!


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Someone explain to me why we didn't bunt there?


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 Post subject: Re: 9/10/12 Pirates (72-67) at Reds (84-57)
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:41 am 
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Testament to futility by both teams tonight: 471 total pitches, both teams combined to go 4-24 with RiSP and as well as stranding 28 men on base. 49 players saw some sort of action tonight.

I'm ready for bed...


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:43 am 
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True that, but the Reds manaaged to get one more run. Par for the course.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:57 am 
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Yeah, but someone had to win. Eventually even the Colts won SB III.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:03 am 
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And of course the Cards are getting slapped around by the Pads. It will be vomit-inducing if either the Brewers or Phillies sneak in at this point.


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 Post subject: Re: 9/10/12 Pirates (72-67) at Reds (84-57)
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:29 am 
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val wrote:
Yeah, but someone had to win. Eventually even the Colts won SB III.

Actually, they lost SB III. I think you meant SB V. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: 9/10/12 Pirates (72-67) at Reds (84-57)
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:04 am 
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Chris76 wrote:
Barmes makes that play



I know. Remember though, defense is meaningless.


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 Post subject: Re: 9/10/12 Pirates (72-67) at Reds (84-57)
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:25 am 
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We will finish behind Milwaukee. You may as well accept that ugly truth.


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 Post subject: Re: 9/10/12 Pirates (72-67) at Reds (84-57)
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:26 am 
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Honesty I wish the season were over. I'm tired of watching the Pirates fail night after night.


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 Post subject: Re: 9/10/12 Pirates (72-67) at Reds (84-57)
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:36 am 
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rellimie wrote:
Chris76 wrote:
Barmes makes that play



I know. Remember though, defense is meaningless.

Barmes does NOT make that play. I get sick of hearing every time one of the young guys makes an error that "Barmes would've made that play". Barmes is solid, very solid. But he doesn't have exceptional range, and has made his share of errors this year. Couple that with his putrid hitting and I hope he is gone at the end of the year.

As for that specific play, Chase made a heck of an effort. The ball was smoked, he immediately dove, gloved it, but just couldn't get a grip on it to make a throw. If you want to bitch about him, start with his ridiculously lousy at bat in the top of the inning with the bases loaded. Anyway, if Hurdle knew how to manage(which is becoming more and more questionable) the game wouldn't have been in extra innings.


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 Post subject: Re: 9/10/12 Pirates (72-67) at Reds (84-57)
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:00 pm 
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As for that specific play, Chase made a heck of an effort. The ball was smoked, he immediately dove, gloved it, but just couldn't get a grip on it to make a throw. If you want to bitch about him, start with his ridiculously lousy at bat in the top of the inning with the bases loaded. Anyway, if Hurdle knew how to manage(which is becoming more and more questionable) the game wouldn't have been in extra innings.

Another point about that play - why are you even pitching to Ludwick with first base open? I get the whole righty-righty thing, but Jay Bruce was 1 for 5 with 3 strikeouts, including his last 2 ABs against right-handers.

Probably the worst managed game in a long, long time - and CH didn't come across too well in his comments afterwards either.


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Just like I was noting in the Hughes thread, I think you notice managers more when they are bad. But I seem to have been "noticing" Hurdle a lot this year.

It's hard to credit a manager for things that you can't see that have teams playing well and I understand that, but jeez have I been left bewildered on many occasions this year by Hurdle's moves.

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PirateParrot wrote:
As for that specific play, Chase made a heck of an effort. The ball was smoked, he immediately dove, gloved it, but just couldn't get a grip on it to make a throw. If you want to bitch about him, start with his ridiculously lousy at bat in the top of the inning with the bases loaded. Anyway, if Hurdle knew how to manage(which is becoming more and more questionable) the game wouldn't have been in extra innings.

As I've said before, I like the way Hurdle is able to coach and motivate players, but his in-game management stinks on ice.

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 Post subject: Re: 9/10/12 Pirates (72-67) at Reds (84-57)
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:13 pm 
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Hurdle does a lot of things right but ultimately you are judged by your record. His teams have collapsed two years in a row and he has had only one winning season in his career.

I put a lot of our inability to steal bases on him also.


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As I've said before, I like the way Hurdle is able to coach and motivate players, but his in-game management stinks on ice.

I just have to wonder what effect a bungled mess of a game like last night has on the motivation level of the players.


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 Post subject: Re: 9/10/12 Pirates (72-67) at Reds (84-57)
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Scrap Iron wrote:
Willton wrote:
As I've said before, I like the way Hurdle is able to coach and motivate players, but his in-game management stinks on ice.

I just have to wonder what effect a bungled mess of a game like last night has on the motivation level of the players.

I'm wondering whenter maybe he is just a good talker. He is folksy, down home, and has an interesting way with words. Also, he replaced a guy who resembled a corpse. Think about his actual managerial skills..

1. Can't handle pitchers worth crap.
2. Too loyal to vets...Barajas has started 5 of the last 7 games. Seriously...that is beyond ridiculous.
3. Substitution patterns are questionable at best. Last night he pinch ran for Jones, who was only an insurance run anyway. This, of course, took out his best hitter of late out of the lineup.
4. And as someone said above, he is now going to be the owner of 2 horrible collapses. The Pirates don't have enough talent, but a manager should be able to pull a team out of a tailspin like that. After all, they were good enough to get hot for two months. It's one thing to fade, but another to collapse.
5. And he doesn't have a great track record.


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